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We're former freelancers who realized there's way more to freelancing than good design, development, photography etc.…",{"value":56,"source":50,"evidence":57},"Freelancers, especially new or transitioning ones",[58,59],{"id":53,"by":11,"text":54},{"id":60,"by":11,"text":61},"11153776","Thanks :) Lots of our users are new freelancers or are making the transition from part to full time freelance. We try to put together resources for them specifically, like a tool…",{"value":63,"source":64,"evidence":65},"Contracts free; invoicing charges $1 per invoice (per commenter reading pricing page)","commenter",[66],{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},"11154095","koolba","If I'm reading the pricing copy correctly, the contracts themselves are free and invoicing service charges $1 per invoice. Is it possible to be profitable (in a successful…",{"value":71,"source":50,"evidence":72},"Founders were former freelancers who saw business side as underserved",[73],{"id":53,"by":11,"text":54},[],"unknown","launched","team",{"praise":79,"objections":110,"requests":134,"questions":168,"alternatives":190},[80,95],{"value":81,"source":64,"evidence":82},"Clean, easy contract creation",[83,87,91],{"id":84,"by":85,"text":86},"11156839","_puk","Looks really good, thanks for sharing. Created a sample contract, nice and easy. Are the contracts the same for US and UK? I've only created a sample UK one, but notice that you…",{"id":88,"by":89,"text":90},"11156262","drew22huthut","Just completed my first contract\u002Fcharge via @bonsai, I'm in love to say the least. Makes creating a contract and getting clients setup for billing a snap",{"id":92,"by":93,"text":94},"11153832","wkirby","The app itself looks really nice, but I'm unconvinced this will be useful in practice. 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The contract, as a base, is good, but there are some clients that just need to change the language or other fields that are NOT editable…",{"value":120,"source":64,"evidence":121},"Pricing too low to build a sustainable business",[122],{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},{"value":124,"source":64,"evidence":125},"Disclaimer says not a law firm; legal responsibility unclear",[126,130],{"id":127,"by":128,"text":129},"11153656","profeta","bulletproof + free = ? what happens when the contract is contested? and what if you lose?",{"id":131,"by":132,"text":133},"11153822","mariocesar","I was thinking the same then I look at their page footer. > Bonsai is not a law firm, does not provide legal services or advice, and does not provide or participate in legal…",[135,144,154,161],{"value":136,"source":50,"evidence":137},"More international support, including payments",[138,141],{"id":139,"by":132,"text":140},"11153715","If you support 2checkout I would be able to use it in Bolivia, and many other latinamerica developers will also be able too. Hiring freelancer for most international clients is…",{"id":142,"by":11,"text":143},"11153759","Yep, definitely looking to expand international support for contracts and especially payments. That's one of our largest themes in feature requests right now. Thanks for…",{"value":145,"source":64,"evidence":146},"Tax remittance handling",[147,151],{"id":148,"by":149,"text":150},"11154248","pj_mukh","Siiiick! Any chance you'll handle tax remittances? Contractor taxes (esp) in Canada are kind of a quagmire.",{"id":152,"by":11,"text":153},"11154263","Not yet but it's been very heavily requested. Definitely looking into it.",{"value":155,"source":64,"evidence":156},"Editable contract fields and language",[157,158],{"id":116,"by":117,"text":118},{"id":159,"by":11,"text":160},"11154194","Yep, we definitely understand the need for more flexibility. In about 1 week there will be many more options to edit. 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