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It has everything I'm expecting from IM platform so far: it's very open; it's decentralized (I can host my own server and it'll talk to…",{"value":98,"source":87,"evidence":99},"Matrix protocol seen as strong open alternative to other IM platforms",[100,101],{"id":94,"by":95,"text":96},{"id":102,"by":11,"text":103},"11872036","They have completely different architectures and philosophies. Matrix is a decentralised conversation database - it's all about synchronising communication history between the…",[105,116,124],{"value":106,"source":87,"evidence":107},"Android version depends on Google Play Services (GCM), blocking F-Droid and degoogled phones",[108,112],{"id":109,"by":110,"text":111},"11872201","jalami","Matrix and vector look more interesting by the week. I would really like to see the Android port on F-droid. I haven't done a tonne of research, but I believe Vector uses Google…",{"id":113,"by":114,"text":115},"11872877","dlmetcalf","Leaving people no option but to use Google's infrastructure (if they want to participate with anything better than a browser) seems an ENORMOUS gap, given the rest of the…",{"value":117,"source":87,"evidence":118},"Naming of Vector and Matrix is hard to search for and confusing",[119,123],{"id":120,"by":121,"text":122},"11871782","slimsag","I'm not trying to be rude by saying this, but these names \"Vector\" and \"Matrix\" are far from Google-able, and sometimes (esp. in game development, and other scientific fields I'm…",{"id":90,"by":91,"text":92},{"value":125,"source":87,"evidence":126},"Docs lack end-user information and setup guides",[127],{"id":128,"by":129,"text":130},"11874549","pjtr","Looks very interesting, but the site is still lacking some important information (or not very clear) from an end-user perspective. Why is there no description of the features?…",[132,142],{"value":133,"source":87,"evidence":134},"Support push notifications without Google services",[135,138],{"id":136,"by":114,"text":137},"11873996","I hadn't tried it, no. Was just going on what others had said here. That's great to hear it has at least some sort of fallback! Polling however is typically too battery draining…",{"id":139,"by":140,"text":141},"11874869","synchronise","What about using a GCM implementation like microg?",{"value":143,"source":87,"evidence":144},"Pidgin or other desktop client support",[145],{"id":146,"by":147,"text":148},"11874061","xfalcox","Is there some way to connect to this using pidgin on Linux?",[150,161],{"value":151,"source":87,"evidence":152},"Is end-to-end encryption available yet",[153,157],{"id":154,"by":155,"text":156},"11873513","myaccountzz","Does it have encryption already? 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I wonder if they are taking any steps…",{"value":176,"source":87,"evidence":177},"Mattermost",[178],{"id":179,"by":180,"text":181},"11872571","jbk","I'm curious, how does this compare to open source slack-clones like Mattermost?",{"value":183,"source":87,"evidence":184},"XMPP",[185,189],{"id":186,"by":187,"text":188},"11871811","SamWhited","I still don't understand why Matrix was made when XMPP is already a thing; if you're not happy with the existing standard participate in the process, don't just make up a new…",{"id":190,"by":191,"text":192},"11873087","rglullis","As someone who has self hosted my own XMPP server before and still cries over the move taken by Google and Facebook with their messengers, can someone from the Matrix people…",{"value":194,"source":87,"evidence":195},"Signal",[196],{"id":113,"by":114,"text":115},{"comments":198,"answered":199,"key":200},17,9,[201,204,207],{"id":202,"text":203},"11871807","fair point. One can always spell out the domains to differentiate though - \"Vector dot IM\" and \"Matrix dot org\" :)",{"id":205,"text":206},"11873158","well, Matrix is Latin for 'womb', so it's fairly safe to say that the word is heavily overloaded already. 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