[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":437},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-12226064":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":27,"sentiment":28,"stance_mix":29,"scored_comments":34,"aspects":35,"strip":45,"post_text":46,"what":47,"said":91,"maker_in_thread":243,"shape":252,"grid":257,"attempts":399,"same_week":400,"maker_shows":285,"maker_hidden":429,"reader_version":430,"card":431},"12226064","Tenta","A private encrypted browser","title","Show HN: Tenta – A private encrypted browser","https:\u002F\u002Ftenta.com","tenta.com","tenta",1470323851,2016,56,64,669,2264,30,"notable","security_privacy","private browser","mobile_app",[21,24,25,26],"encrypted browser","built-in vpn","privacy browser","roasted",-0.476,{"positive":30,"neutral":31,"mixed":32,"critical":33},1,13,0,20,34,{"privacy":36,"idea":38,"pricing":39,"execution":40,"docs":42,"performance":43,"design":44},{"positive":32,"critical":37},5,{"positive":30,"critical":30},{"positive":32,"critical":37},{"positive":32,"critical":41},3,{"positive":32,"critical":30},{"positive":32,"critical":32},{"positive":32,"critical":32},[30,37,30,32,41,32,32,41,30,30,32,30,30,41,41,32,30,32,30,30,32,41,41,30,30,32,32,30,30,30,41,41,32,41,30,41,30,30,41,30],null,{"problem":48,"audience":58,"pricing":64,"motivation":73,"time_to_build":46,"stack":77,"openness":88,"stage":89,"team_size":90},{"value":49,"source":50,"evidence":51},"Browsing privacy and protection of browsing data from tracking and censorship","maker",[52,55],{"id":53,"by":11,"text":54},"12226164","In light of the latest news of Comcast selling your data and almost weekly reports of threats to privacy and censorship around the world, we want to now share and invite HN folks…",{"id":56,"by":11,"text":57},"12227021","We'll get that up today, thanks for asking. Overall, we're taking a zero knowledge approach to your browsing data. We also do not store your keys on any servers for additional…",{"value":59,"source":50,"evidence":60},"Mainstream users wanting private browsing",[61],{"id":62,"by":11,"text":63},"12226631","Your comments touch upon a challenge we had when deciding how to market Tenta. At the end of the day, we want this to have mainstream appeal, which means everyone should feel…",{"value":65,"source":50,"evidence":66},"Browser free; premium paid VPN for device-wide protection planned",[67,70],{"id":68,"by":11,"text":69},"12226480","By default, the browser will always be free. You should be able to browse anonymously and control your data without paying. Currently the VPN is applied to the browser only, so…",{"id":71,"by":11,"text":72},"12226541","I just mentioned this note above, but to respond directly, the browser will always be free. We believe everyone should be able to access the world's information without…",{"value":74,"source":50,"evidence":75},"Protect browsing data instead of selling it, citing privacy and censorship concerns",[76],{"id":53,"by":11,"text":54},[78,84],{"value":79,"source":50,"evidence":80},"Chromium",[81],{"id":82,"by":11,"text":83},"12226969","Sweet, someone noticed the .bit domain support! chromium. We're writing up details in a blog post, since this question has come up in various forms. We'll share the link in a bit.",{"value":85,"source":50,"evidence":86},"OpenVPN",[87],{"id":53,"by":11,"text":54},"unknown","beta","team",{"praise":92,"objections":108,"requests":159,"questions":200,"alternatives":230},[93,101],{"value":94,"source":95,"evidence":96},"The .bit domain support is useful","commenter",[97],{"id":98,"by":99,"text":100},"12226452","rictic","* support for .bit domains out of the box is very very cool * is it based on Firefox? Chromium? * emphasizing the number of bits in your encryption can be the opposite of…",{"value":102,"source":95,"evidence":103},"Built-in VPN extensions are useful for regular users",[104],{"id":105,"by":106,"text":107},"12226444","peterwwillis","It's not for anonymity, it's for privacy. And the VPN extensions are actually nice... You can do something similar now with a bunch of extra tools, but building them all into one…",[109,124,135,142,152],{"value":110,"source":95,"evidence":111},"Closed source makes it untrustworthy",[112,116,120],{"id":113,"by":114,"text":115},"12226345","edoceo","Without full access to all the code it seems untrusted",{"id":117,"by":118,"text":119},"12226643","rm_-rf_slash","As a wrapper for the other instances of this question in this thread: why is the source code not open and free to view by default? Afraid we'll notice tab-indenting? ;)",{"id":121,"by":122,"text":123},"12226422","ktta","I understand your apprehension open sourcing the source code, but 90%~ of your userbase will be people who don't trust closed source code (some even would want to verify the app…",{"value":125,"source":95,"evidence":126},"Buzzwords and unclear privacy claims, no technical detail",[127,131],{"id":128,"by":129,"text":130},"12226337","laksjd","This just doesn't feel right to me. Firstly, what's a \"Private Encrypted Browser\" supposed to be? What's making it private? What's even being encrypted? 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Are you going to become your own VPN provider as well as…",{"value":153,"source":95,"evidence":154},"Maker's adult industry background raises trust concerns",[155],{"id":156,"by":157,"text":158},"12226598","joecool1029","Porn, porn, porn, porn: https:\u002F\u002Fwww.linkedin.com\u002Fin\u002Fjesseaaronadams http:\u002F\u002Fwww.seattlepi.com\u002Fbusiness\u002Farticle\u002FTwo-adware-firms-battling-in-court-1161537.php…",[160,172,182,189],{"value":161,"source":95,"evidence":162},"Open source the code",[163,167,171],{"id":164,"by":165,"text":166},"12226204","0xmohit","Are the sources for the browser available?",{"id":168,"by":169,"text":170},"12226270","philippnagel","Why don't you open source the whole product? Critical software should be auditable by anyone imho.",{"id":121,"by":122,"text":123},{"value":173,"source":95,"evidence":174},"Publish a clear privacy policy and threat model",[175,179],{"id":176,"by":177,"text":178},"12226303","paste0x78","Privacy policy?",{"id":180,"by":140,"text":181},"12227213","Yes, and statements on their website like the following don't help: \"With Tenta Browser, your IP address and location is kept private and discreet.\" A clear, published threat…",{"value":183,"source":95,"evidence":184},"Support ad and tracker blockers extensions",[185],{"id":186,"by":187,"text":188},"12229324","Falkon1313","Is this for android only? (It isn't mentioned, but download links go to Google play store.) I see no mention of ad-blocking, tracker blocking, or script blocking. Can it use…",{"value":190,"source":95,"evidence":191},"Direct APK download instead of Play Store beta",[192,196],{"id":193,"by":194,"text":195},"12241843","HuggerNuws","Wait until they opensource it so f-droid can build it :). Of course I could upload the apk somewhere for you but how would you verify it's real (unless theres virustotal for it…",{"id":197,"by":198,"text":199},"12243666","steaminghacker","Couldn't they put a direct APK link from the website?",[201,212,219,223],{"value":202,"source":95,"evidence":203},"How does the business make money?",[204,208],{"id":205,"by":206,"text":207},"12226252","imron","More importantly, how do they make their money?",{"id":209,"by":210,"text":211},"12226511","niij","How is this free?",{"value":213,"source":95,"evidence":214},"Does it support IPv6?",[215],{"id":216,"by":217,"text":218},"12226366","chaz6","I would like to know, does this support IPv6? Opera tried offering a built-in browser VPN, but it only supported IPv4 websites.",{"value":220,"source":95,"evidence":221},"Is it based on Firefox or Chromium?",[222],{"id":98,"by":99,"text":100},{"value":224,"source":95,"evidence":225},"Can it bypass censorship in China?",[226],{"id":227,"by":228,"text":229},"12226186","hyh1048576","> a private, encrypted browser with built-in 256bit encryption and OpenVPN Can it be used to bypass censorship with the built-in tools? 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