[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":578},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-16392096":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":28,"sentiment":29,"stance_mix":30,"scored_comments":35,"aspects":36,"strip":47,"post_text":49,"what":50,"said":70,"maker_in_thread":187,"shape":198,"grid":202,"attempts":539,"same_week":540,"maker_shows":40,"maker_hidden":570,"reader_version":571,"card":572},"16392096","OpenBSD Email Service","A free-email alternative","title","Show HN: OpenBSD Email Service – A free-email alternative","https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Fvedetta-com\u002Fcaesonia","github.com","h0r14",1518787052,2018,215,136,161,2155,8,"notable","infrastructure","email hosting","web_app",[24,25,26,27],"openbsd email","self-hosted email","free email","email server","curious",-0.218,{"positive":31,"neutral":32,"mixed":33,"critical":34},6,23,0,16,45,{"execution":37,"idea":39,"privacy":42,"pricing":44,"docs":45,"performance":46},{"positive":38,"critical":31},2,{"positive":40,"critical":41},1,3,{"positive":38,"critical":43},4,{"positive":33,"critical":40},{"positive":40,"critical":33},{"positive":33,"critical":33},[40,40,33,33,33,33,41,41,41,33,33,43,40,41,40,41,33,40,40,40,33,40,40,41,40,33,33,33,33,41,41,33,33,33,48,48,40,41,40,41],5,null,{"problem":49,"audience":49,"pricing":51,"motivation":49,"time_to_build":49,"stack":57,"openness":69,"stage":69,"team_size":69},{"value":52,"source":53,"evidence":54},"free","inferred",[55],{"id":56},"post",[58,62],{"value":59,"source":53,"evidence":60},"OpenBSD",[61],{"id":56},{"value":63,"source":64,"evidence":65},"rspamd","maker",[66],{"id":67,"by":11,"text":68},"16392172","Yes, and for junk I chose rspamd for Bayes classification, very effective so far.","unknown",{"praise":71,"objections":84,"requests":120,"questions":136,"alternatives":154},[72],{"value":73,"source":74,"evidence":75},"Self-hosted email can be low-maintenance once set up","commenter",[76,80],{"id":77,"by":78,"text":79},"16393800","jstanley","By way of a counter-anecdote: I've been running my own email for 8 years and spend almost no time on it. I can't recall having to do any maintenance at all in the last 3 years.",{"id":81,"by":82,"text":83},"16393844","rightos","Yeah, I do the same - I plugged in Postfix, Dovecot and SpamAssassin and haven't had to touch it other than occasionally confirming backup scripts and automatic security updates…",[85,96,106,113],{"value":86,"source":74,"evidence":87},"Self-hosted email needs ongoing maintenance and breaks at bad times",[88,92],{"id":89,"by":90,"text":91},"16393672","mseebach","Long time self-hosted email user, then long time Gmail user. Playing with your own server is fun, and I really enjoyed it. But things do go wrong, and they go wrong at the least…",{"id":93,"by":94,"text":95},"16394635","chrismeller","Same. It’s like I’m a small company. Single server with no active maintenance? Sounds great and why would we ever spend more on it? It works great! ... for a while. 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And until you realize you're always one step behind people trying to break through with spam or attacks.",{"value":114,"source":74,"evidence":115},"OpenBSD is behind on security",[116],{"id":117,"by":118,"text":119},"16393955","hapless","I wouldn't entrust my email to an operating system that lacks mandatory access control. OpenBSD is a fascinating project, but it is _decades_ behind the state of the art in…",[121],{"value":122,"source":74,"evidence":123},"Guidance on cheap VPS hosting and clean IP addresses",[124,128,132],{"id":125,"by":126,"text":127},"16392937","Tepix","LowEndTalk.com will help you find a super cheap VPS. However I would advise using dedicated hardware for the server instead for improved privacy. There are two possible routes:…",{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},"16392143","a012","The hardest part to me is to get an IP address that's clean so your outgoing emails won't be marked as junks. Also, then you'll have to get help from ISP to update PTR records…",{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},"16397072","giancarlostoro","I've always wanted to host my own mail but every time I look it up they always recommend like 2GB of ram. I've thought about whether one in D \u002F Rust would be easier to host, but…",[137,147],{"value":138,"source":74,"evidence":139},"How to avoid spam folder placement at Gmail",[140,144],{"id":141,"by":142,"text":143},"16395431","sfilargi","Does you email get marked as SPAM by gmail? I do something similar, but when I send an email to a person for the first time, it always ends up in the spam folder by GMail.",{"id":145,"by":142,"text":146},"16395988","I have DKIM, SPF, etc. but still gets caught by spam. What do you mean by \"trusted host\"?",{"value":148,"source":74,"evidence":149},"How to handle automatic system updates",[150],{"id":151,"by":152,"text":153},"16394391","michaelbuckbee","Do you have the system updates on auto? 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But for people with a family it is…",{"value":175,"source":74,"evidence":176},"mailcow",[177],{"id":178,"by":179,"text":180},"16396789","thunfischbrot","Used to manage it all manually, set up https:\u002F\u002Fmailcow.email\u002F after a server move a couple years ago. It's been great, running inside docker now via docker-compose alongside…",{"value":182,"source":74,"evidence":183},"sovereign",[184],{"id":185,"by":126,"text":186},"16392961","If you don't want to do everything by hand, check out https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Fsovereign\u002Fsovereign\u002F",{"comments":18,"answered":38,"key":188},[189,192,195],{"id":190,"text":191},"16393155","I'm in your reverse situation, a long time free-email user. Given the latest news, I decided to self-host my email address and not have a 3rd party filter my Inbox. I'm surprised…",{"id":193,"text":194},"16393088","When renting a dedicated box, a VNC-like interface is required to enter disk encryption password, which could be intercepted by the host. Moreover, this has to be done on each…",{"id":196,"text":197},"16393514","Privacy from host is not possible, and you make a very good point about hardware access. Virtual machine are secured by the shared host. 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