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Instead the PDF is hosted on the site, which you link to, and the analytics…",{"id":59,"by":60,"text":61},"17258338","hmyr0","I haven't tried it, but it seems to me that this only works if the PDFs are stored on the site and viewed online, so essentially just regular analytics with an embedded document…",{"value":63,"source":50,"evidence":64},"Businesses sharing documents such as pitches and proposals.",[65,69],{"id":66,"by":67,"text":68},"17259476","purerandomness","Hey Wiktor, ignore the HN hivemind, the age and target group is strongly skewed. While your competitor DocSend is recommended over here:…",{"id":70,"by":71,"text":72},"17259262","turc1656","I'm not sure there is much of a market for this. Seems geared towards business users, as I can't imagine what the average person would need this for. 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