[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":492},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-18004270":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":9,"maker":10,"posted_at":11,"year":12,"points":13,"comments":14,"rank_in_year":15,"shown_in_year":16,"top":17,"tier":18,"category":19,"subcategory":20,"format":21,"keywords":22,"reception":27,"sentiment":28,"stance_mix":29,"scored_comments":34,"aspects":35,"strip":47,"post_text":48,"what":49,"said":66,"maker_in_thread":158,"shape":169,"grid":172,"attempts":453,"same_week":454,"maker_shows":38,"maker_hidden":484,"reader_version":485,"card":486},"18004270","Grapedrop","My new SaaS side-project, after years of open source","title","Show HN: My new SaaS side-project, after years of open source",null,"artf",1537175392,2018,229,101,141,2155,7,"notable","web_saas","site builder","web_app",[23,24,25,26],"web page builder","drag and drop website","grapesjs","landing page builder","debated",-0.004,{"positive":30,"neutral":31,"mixed":32,"critical":33},14,19,5,18,56,{"pricing":36,"design":39,"idea":42,"privacy":43,"execution":45,"docs":46},{"positive":37,"critical":38},4,3,{"positive":40,"critical":41},1,2,{"positive":37,"critical":41},{"positive":44,"critical":37},0,{"positive":41,"critical":41},{"positive":44,"critical":40},[38,38,44,44,44,40,38,38,44,40,38,38,38,32,32,40,44,32,38,38,40,40,38,38,32,38,41,38,38,38,40,32,37,38,38,40,40,44,38,38],"Hi guys, I've created an open source web builder framework (https:\u002F\u002Fgrapesjs.com) years ago, which I'm still maintaining, and now I'm excited to publish a side project based on it, Grapedrop (https:\u002F\u002Fgrapedrop.com). It's a simple web page builder which allows you to design and publish your web pages very quickly. The project is still in beta with a lot of stuff to improve but I'd really like to share it and hear what people think about it and maybe also get some constructive feedback.",{"problem":50,"audience":9,"pricing":9,"motivation":57,"time_to_build":9,"stack":62,"openness":63,"stage":64,"team_size":65},{"value":51,"source":52,"evidence":53},"Designing and publishing web pages quickly without dealing with servers or installation","maker",[54],{"id":55,"by":10,"text":56},"18014015","Just to point few of them: 1. Quick deploy of the site (I mean you don't need to deal with servers, installations, and stuff) 2. 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I've been looking for a chance to use grapesjs in some projects but haven't had the chance to yet but it looks fantastic --…",{"id":88,"by":89,"text":90},"18022629","willwinger","I have used GrapeJs, it is a very well architected tool. Your new project will sure be more successful!",[92,103,114,125,136],{"value":93,"source":70,"evidence":94},"Free tier costs the maker money to host",[95,99],{"id":96,"by":97,"text":98},"18016150","simplify","Since GrapesJS is already open source I would seriously consider pointing users to that for the free plan instead of providing free hosting. Your service provides hosting; free…",{"id":100,"by":101,"text":102},"18018731","matt_the_bass","Following up on the comments of many people about not offering a free tier, would it be possible to make your system easy to clone on github AND run from a GitHub hosted site? If…",{"value":104,"source":70,"evidence":105},"Prices too low for business and enterprise plans",[106,110],{"id":107,"by":108,"text":109},"18017944","schneidmaster","You should charge more :) Especially for your business plan -- any service targeted at enterprises should get you bare-minimum three figures of revenue per month, and you should…",{"id":111,"by":112,"text":113},"18015366","Aeolun","I think it might be a good idea to increase your business\u002Fenterprise pricing. As it is, it feels to cheap (e.g. too close to the first paid plan) to be any good. Besides,…",{"value":115,"source":70,"evidence":116},"Registration required before trying the editor",[117,121],{"id":118,"by":119,"text":120},"18008494","dhumph","One quick bit of feedback - i'm not as likely to try it out if i have to register first. Create a demo area where i can play, but not save and use that as bait for registration.",{"id":122,"by":123,"text":124},"18013749","lordldx","Same opinion here. Was going to try it out, but got scared away by the registration form",{"value":126,"source":70,"evidence":127},"Domain or name triggers firewall blocks",[128,132],{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},"18012806","dawie","Our corporate firewall blocks your url as \"porn\" The fact that your ssl cert is not working is also a concern",{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},"18013567","Gigablah","Your domain name might just be triggering a word blocklist.",{"value":137,"source":70,"evidence":138},"Unclear what the product outputs and who it is for",[139,143],{"id":140,"by":141,"text":142},"18014087","fabricexpert","This looks awesome, I actually used grapesjs in a project earlier this year and it was really cool. However I don't understand what this is? What's the output? A hosted website…",{"id":144,"by":145,"text":146},"18013729","encoderer","1. Your homepage should give me a better sales pitch about what I can do with your product and why I need it, not just how I do it. Explain your value. 2. 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