[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":604},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-18077446":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":27,"sentiment":28,"stance_mix":29,"scored_comments":34,"aspects":35,"strip":48,"post_text":49,"what":50,"said":70,"maker_in_thread":270,"shape":279,"grid":283,"attempts":565,"same_week":566,"maker_shows":47,"maker_hidden":596,"reader_version":597,"card":598},"18077446","You Don't Need WordPress","Create a Blog With Only Google Docs","title","Show HN: You Don't Need WordPress – Create a Blog With Only Google Docs","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youdontneedwp.com\u002F","youdontneedwp.com","patwalls",1537978479,2018,257,110,116,2155,6,"legend","web_saas","blogging platform","web_app",[24,25,21,26],"google docs blog","wordpress alternative","google docs cms","mixed",-0.152,{"positive":30,"neutral":31,"mixed":32,"critical":33},12,19,3,22,56,{"idea":36,"privacy":39,"design":42,"docs":44,"execution":45,"performance":46},{"positive":37,"critical":38},9,5,{"positive":40,"critical":41},0,13,{"positive":43,"critical":43},2,{"positive":40,"critical":40},{"positive":40,"critical":40},{"positive":40,"critical":47},1,[38,47,38,47,47,32,32,32,40,38,47,43,47,32,43,32,47,32,40,47,40,40,40,47,38,40,40,40,47,40,32,47,32,32,32,32,38,32,47,38],null,{"problem":51,"audience":49,"pricing":49,"motivation":58,"time_to_build":62,"stack":66,"openness":67,"stage":68,"team_size":69},{"value":52,"source":53,"evidence":54},"WordPress can feel bloated or intimidating for new users","maker",[55],{"id":56,"by":11,"text":57},"18077455","Hey HN, In my opinion, platforms like WordPress can feel bloated or be intimidating to new users. For this reason, I wanted to build a blogging platform on top of Google Docs. I…",{"value":59,"source":53,"evidence":60},"Maker uses Google Docs for collaboration with writers and wanted a simpler blogging option",[61],{"id":56,"by":11,"text":57},{"value":63,"source":53,"evidence":64},"Built and launched in 24 hours, streamed on Twitch",[65],{"id":56,"by":11,"text":57},[],"open_source","launched","solo",{"praise":71,"objections":110,"requests":186,"questions":220,"alternatives":243},[72,88,99],{"value":73,"source":74,"evidence":75},"Useful idea for non-technical people who want to publish easily","commenter",[76,80,84],{"id":77,"by":78,"text":79},"18079967","moolcool","I don't know why this is attracting so much hate here. It's a novel and useful idea. Sure, you're relying on Docs, but that's an established, mainline Google service which makes…",{"id":81,"by":82,"text":83},"18079049","smacktoward","Most static site generators require authors to learn something like Markdown in order to publish, which is a much bigger hurdle for non-technical people than technical people…",{"id":85,"by":86,"text":87},"18082492","O_H_E","I can actually see that being helpful for non-technical people",{"value":89,"source":74,"evidence":90},"Familiar Google Docs editing and collaboration",[91,95],{"id":92,"by":93,"text":94},"18080427","EminIsrafil","I think this is pretty cool. I know more than one person who loves google docs and hates wordpress whom I will be forwarding this to.",{"id":96,"by":97,"text":98},"18080714","franciscop","I did something similar back in 2013-2014 for the initial Makers UPV blog[1], which was much later migrated to Ghost. The underlying technology we used is drive-db[2], a library…",{"value":100,"source":74,"evidence":101},"Impressive 24-hour build and public launch stream",[102,106],{"id":103,"by":104,"text":105},"18078087","ladybro","Enjoyed watching the idea-to-launch process on Twitter and Twitch. Nice work, Pat!",{"id":107,"by":108,"text":109},"18078091","rasengan","Solving accessibility (and simplicity) to blogging and freedom of speech, and in just 24 hours; this is awesome to say the least. I look forward to the words and wisdom that…",[111,126,145,156,171],{"value":112,"source":74,"evidence":113},"Dependence on Google services that may be shut down or change terms",[114,118,122],{"id":115,"by":116,"text":117},"18078469","miguelmota","You don't need Google Docs either. Seems like a terrible decision since Google is known for randomly shutting down services and updating their terms of use at any point. 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What are the privacy implications…",{"id":138,"by":139,"text":140},"18081338","asdf1234tx","\"...I'm collaborating with dozens of writers..\" You may be collaborating with more people than you know. Cause it's, you know, google. I wonder how many third parties get access…",{"id":142,"by":143,"text":144},"18081020","arikrak","This looks like a great idea since Docs is both a good editor and a good way to collaborate. However I don't want to give access to my whole Drive to an unknown product, it would…",{"value":146,"source":74,"evidence":147},"Name seen as insulting or misleading to WordPress users",[148,152],{"id":149,"by":150,"text":151},"18078076","CJefferson","It looks like good fun, but I'll be honest I find the name very insulting. I've had a wordpress website for 8 years. Is this going to work in 8 years? 6 months?",{"id":153,"by":154,"text":155},"18079282","detaro","The name seems weird. There's tons of blogging systems that aren't Wordpress, presumably your product is interesting for many of their users too, while not being interesting for…",{"value":157,"source":74,"evidence":158},"Source code link was hard to find",[159,163,167],{"id":160,"by":161,"text":162},"18078058","arayh","Nice to see an open-source project like this, but where can we find the repository \u002F source?",{"id":164,"by":165,"text":166},"18078070","saberworks","I really like this. I have a pretty big legacy site with one section full of user-contributed (HTML\u002Fimages) tutorials written over a period of 20 years (yes, the site has been up…",{"id":168,"by":169,"text":170},"18088122","orsenthil","Why do I have to sign up using my Google Account, and give you permissions to host my content in Google Docs in my Google Drive? And where is it Open Source? 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Personally, I see the benefits to using GDrive as the backend, but instead of having to host a…",{"id":183,"by":184,"text":185},"18082318","bad_user","I maintain a blog built on static tools since 2009, which is older than most people's blogs I see on Hacker News: https:\u002F\u002Falexn.org Hosting is free if you host it on GitHub…",[187,194,198,209,216],{"value":188,"source":74,"evidence":189},"Use Google OAuth instead of username and password",[190],{"id":191,"by":192,"text":193},"18081262","wefarrell","I would suggest using google oauth for authentication rather than the username\u002Fpassword combo.",{"value":195,"source":74,"evidence":196},"Limit access to one Drive directory instead of whole Drive",[197],{"id":142,"by":143,"text":144},{"value":199,"source":74,"evidence":200},"Support for custom fields and template changes",[201,205],{"id":202,"by":203,"text":204},"18081753","rilwis","Great idea. But how to change the template or add more data like custom fields? I've been using Meta Box plugin (https:\u002F\u002Fmetabox.io) for custom fields and can't live without it.",{"id":206,"by":207,"text":208},"18078784","scotchio","Super cool. Custom fields though?",{"value":210,"source":74,"evidence":211},"Static export or caching for heavily visited pages",[212,215],{"id":213,"by":11,"text":214},"18078540","Yes, very true. Important to think aboout. There is a rate limit on their API although I don't think I will hit it at this point of the project, but I do plan to start thinking…",{"id":179,"by":180,"text":181},{"value":217,"source":74,"evidence":218},"Option to self-host or use Etherpad as backend",[219],{"id":119,"by":120,"text":121},[221,229,236],{"value":222,"source":74,"evidence":223},"Will it keep working long term given Google API dependence",[224,225],{"id":149,"by":150,"text":151},{"id":226,"by":227,"text":228},"18078096","fucking_tragedy","Very cool! I'm guessing that this relies on Google not breaking, disabling or rate-limiting their Docs API, correct?",{"value":230,"source":74,"evidence":231},"How images are handled",[232],{"id":233,"by":234,"text":235},"18081578","pier25","Don't you find it difficult to maintain a consistent format\u002Fschema between many authors? 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I think they’re nifty, and although I haven’t had a personal use case…",{"value":264,"source":74,"evidence":265},"Blot.im",[266],{"id":267,"by":268,"text":269},"18080918","Angostura","Or, if you can afford $20 per year, there's this https:\u002F\u002Fblot.im which lets you dump stuff in a Dropbox folder to become blog posts. -",{"comments":37,"answered":32,"key":271},[272,275,276],{"id":273,"text":274},"18080407","Thanks! That's a good point. People might crap on your idea because it relies on a Google product, but massive companies like Snapchat and Airbnb use Google Cloud. Obviously…",{"id":56,"text":57},{"id":277,"text":278},"18078516","Sure! https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Fpatwalls\u002Fydnw Contributions are very welcome! 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