[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":320},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-18107198":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":29,"sentiment":30,"stance_mix":31,"scored_comments":36,"aspects":37,"strip":45,"post_text":47,"what":48,"said":80,"maker_in_thread":186,"shape":196,"grid":201,"attempts":282,"same_week":283,"maker_shows":275,"maker_hidden":312,"reader_version":313,"card":314},"18107198","Cliapp.store","An App Store for CLI Apps","title","Show HN: Cliapp.store – An App Store for CLI Apps","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.feram.io\u002Fblog\u002F2018-09-30_app_store_for_cli_apps\u002F","feram.io","adius",1538328817,2018,19,38,1225,2155,57,"shown","web_saas","app store marketplace","web_app",[24,25,26,27,28],"cli apps","app store","open source funding","command line","developer donations","roasted",-0.645,{"positive":32,"neutral":33,"mixed":34,"critical":35},0,7,1,16,24,{"idea":38,"pricing":40,"docs":42,"execution":44},{"positive":32,"critical":39},8,{"positive":32,"critical":41},6,{"positive":32,"critical":43},2,{"positive":32,"critical":32},[34,46,46,32,34,32,32,32,32,34,32,34,34,32,32,46,34,34,32,32,34,32,32,34,46,46,32,34,34,32,34,34,46,34,46,34,46,34],3,null,{"problem":49,"audience":56,"pricing":61,"motivation":72,"time_to_build":47,"stack":76,"openness":77,"stage":78,"team_size":79},{"value":50,"source":51,"evidence":52},"Makes it easier to pay developers of open source command-line tools","maker",[53],{"id":54,"by":11,"text":55},"18108202","That's what I did! Most were excited for an additional source of income as (who would have guessed it) their donation buttons don't yield a lot. It's also about discoverability…",{"value":57,"source":58,"evidence":59},"Users of command-line tools who want to support their developers","inferred",[60],{"id":54,"by":11,"text":55},{"value":62,"source":63,"evidence":64},"Paid per app, e.g. 2.99 EUR; 70% goes to developer, 30% to Feram GmbH","commenter",[65,69],{"id":66,"by":67,"text":68},"18107922","Operyl","Supposedly: The payment is composed of following parts: 19 % (0.57 €) is German VAT Of the remaining 81 % (2.42 €) 70 % (1.69 €) go to the developer of the app (Ricardo Garcia).…",{"id":70,"by":67,"text":71},"18107915","Why should I pay you, whom will inevitably take a cut on top of the payment processing cut, when I can donate to the developer directly where only the payment processing cut…",{"value":73,"source":51,"evidence":74},"Make it easier and more natural for users to support open source developers",[75],{"id":54,"by":11,"text":55},[],"unknown","launched","company",{"praise":81,"objections":93,"requests":142,"questions":153,"alternatives":166},[82],{"value":83,"source":63,"evidence":84},"Idea of letting open source CLI authors monetise their work is appreciated",[85,89],{"id":86,"by":87,"text":88},"18107916","sago","I appreciate the idea of allowing utility CLI programs to be monetised by their authors. But it does look at the moment like the site is charging for git, pandoc, etc. Is any of…",{"id":90,"by":91,"text":92},"18108972","joshka","I really like the root need of this, paying for open source, but I think the execution is significantly off. It might be nice to see an open source foundation create something…",[94,109,124,131],{"value":95,"source":63,"evidence":96},"Sells free open source apps without authors' consent or knowledge",[97,101,105],{"id":98,"by":99,"text":100},"18107963","woodruffw","Most of the programs that you're publishing on your \"app store\" have independent monetization channels, including direct donations from their users via accounts that they…",{"id":102,"by":103,"text":104},"18107992","WhatsName","The most important question for me looking at projects like git, httpie and youtube-dl being sold for 2,99€... Have they actually been submitted by their respective owner? If so…",{"id":106,"by":107,"text":108},"18111631","mikemcquaid","I'm the Homebrew lead maintainer and I can publicly confirm you have not had any contact with our project to discuss monetisation.",{"value":110,"source":63,"evidence":111},"Pricing info is misleading; claims apps need a license though they are free",[112,116,120],{"id":113,"by":114,"text":115},"18108104","detaro","They are openly lying about the terms. Click the \"trial license\" (what?) text on any of the shop pages and read > You can try out Pandoc for free. To use it regularly, you must…",{"id":117,"by":118,"text":119},"18108575","9935c101ab17a66","This is terrible. The pricing info page is completely misleading, and written in a way that obscures the fact that all of this software is available completely for free.",{"id":121,"by":122,"text":123},"18108058","daw___","\"You can try out Git for free. To use it regularly, you must buy a license.\" Which license does this notice message refer to? This is completely wrong!",{"value":125,"source":63,"evidence":126},"Money pooled before reaching authors; donating directly is simpler",[127,130],{"id":128,"by":114,"text":129},"18108242","Pandoc is not a commercial product. By claiming one must buy a license, you are misrepresenting its actual license. If you're actually selling your own wrapper around it, make…",{"id":70,"by":67,"text":71},{"value":132,"source":63,"evidence":133},"Existing package managers like Homebrew already offer these apps free",[134,138],{"id":135,"by":136,"text":137},"18108050","Fnoord","All of these applications and a whole lot more are available in Homebrew as well. Which can be kept upgraded with Topgrade [1] [1] https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Fr-darwish\u002Ftopgrade",{"id":139,"by":140,"text":141},"18108028","Jack5500","This is really shady and I don't see advantages over a conventional package manager",[143,149],{"value":144,"source":63,"evidence":145},"Partner with package managers like Homebrew instead of a separate store",[146],{"id":147,"by":91,"text":148},"18108992","As a suggestion, perhaps it would be better to start talking with homebrew for this instead, and generally bolting on top of existing package managers rather than adding another…",{"value":150,"source":63,"evidence":151},"Get explicit consent from project maintainers before listing",[152],{"id":98,"by":99,"text":100},[154,161],{"value":155,"source":63,"evidence":156},"Is it legal to charge for open source tools not owned by the site?",[157],{"id":158,"by":159,"text":160},"18107997","rhardih","Can anyone explain to me in layman terms, how this is legal? I mean charging money for freely available open source tools, not owned by this site?",{"value":162,"source":63,"evidence":163},"Are the apps' authors actually receiving the money?",[164,165],{"id":86,"by":87,"text":88},{"id":102,"by":103,"text":104},[167,175,182],{"value":168,"source":63,"evidence":169},"Homebrew",[170,171],{"id":135,"by":136,"text":137},{"id":172,"by":173,"text":174},"18108825","RayDonnelly","So this is literally monetisation [1] based on the work of Homebrew [2]? 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