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However, I am going to be really honest - as the CTO of a company who regularly hires…",{"id":56,"by":57,"text":58},"18913048","rv-de","What I don't get. And I suppose I am speaking here for 99% of all developers without a background in law. How can it be so difficult to create a contract framework? How can there…",{"id":60,"by":61,"text":62},"18917870","lsh","I really hate legalese. It has always struck me as a tool to browbeat one or both parties into a false sense of security by trying to account for every possible scenario (and…",{"value":64,"source":49,"evidence":65},"Freelancers and independent contractors, mainly in the US",[66,70],{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},"18912669","SimonPStevens","Just worth noteing this looks specific to the US freelance\u002Fcontract market. I can only speak for the jurisdiction I know (and I am not a lawyer, just a former freelancer), but in…",{"id":71,"by":72,"text":73},"18912475","tptacek","I've seen this idea done a couple of times and it seems like the major problem with it is that while it probably works for small clients and impromptu projects, any client with a…",[],"open_source","launched","unknown",{"praise":79,"objections":92,"requests":117,"questions":127,"alternatives":134},[80],{"value":81,"source":49,"evidence":82},"Good idea to make contracts readable and open",[83,84,88],{"id":52,"by":53,"text":54},{"id":85,"by":86,"text":87},"18911929","patrickbolle","I like this. Maybe make the Github repo available for people to make pull requests and issues and such? That would make it much more 'crowdsourced' imo. The freelance community…",{"id":89,"by":90,"text":91},"18912387","kemitchell","Haven't had a chance to review yet, but I will, and I strongly support this effort! 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If you need a good contract, don't be a dufus. Hire a lawyer who will ask questions and stand professionally…",{"id":98,"by":99,"text":100},{"value":114,"source":49,"evidence":115},"Not suitable for UK IR35 situations",[116],{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},[118,122],{"value":119,"source":49,"evidence":120},"Make the GitHub repo open for pull requests and issues",[121],{"id":85,"by":86,"text":87},{"value":123,"source":49,"evidence":124},"Clarify IP assignment and work-for-hire mechanisms",[125,126],{"id":110,"by":90,"text":111},{"id":98,"by":99,"text":100},[128],{"value":129,"source":49,"evidence":130},"Why the conflict-of-interest and non-compete sections are included",[131],{"id":132,"by":72,"text":133},"18913107","Why is the conflict section in there at all, though? 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