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I'm very motivated to move away from Gmail, for example.",{"id":74,"by":75,"text":76},"19614524","glaurung_","This is really cool. I (and I think some others around here) would like to move away from Google, etc, but sometimes it's hard to find other options. It's great having a…",[78,97,103,118],{"value":79,"source":63,"evidence":80},"'Ethical' is undefined and subjective",[81,85,89,93],{"id":82,"by":83,"text":84},"19613952","dgellow","How is ethical defined here? I cannot see a definition and I don't see what is the common denominator between all those tools. For example why isn't Telegram considered ethical…",{"id":86,"by":87,"text":88},"19613973","return0","You and whose ethics?",{"id":90,"by":91,"text":92},"19614662","ekianjo","Ethical seems to be a very fuzzy expression here without any meaning whatsoever. Even most of the claims made next to the service are not supportable in any practical way (for…",{"id":94,"by":95,"text":96},"19613942","mruts","I don't like this idea, just like I don't like the idea of ESG ETFs and whatnot. It presupposes what is ethical and what is not, despite the obvious personal nature of the…",{"value":98,"source":63,"evidence":99},"Many listed services are not open source",[100],{"id":101,"by":91,"text":102},"19614685","Most of the services there (ddg, fastmail) are not even open-source at all.",{"value":104,"source":63,"evidence":105},"Site blank with ad blockers",[106,110,114],{"id":107,"by":108,"text":109},"19613519","carnagii","Blank page with ad-block plus.",{"id":111,"by":112,"text":113},"19613944","imode","Blank page with uBlock Origin.",{"id":115,"by":116,"text":117},"19613900","alien1993","Some categories show a blank page, selecting the category all works fine though.",{"value":119,"source":63,"evidence":120},"Some listed tools have questionable ethics such as Firefox funding and Brave",[121,125],{"id":122,"by":123,"text":124},"19614292","moocowtruck","interesting, one of the first apps is firefox...yet most of their funding comes from as this page would characterize as 'unethical sources' so wouldn't they then by guilty ?",{"id":126,"by":127,"text":128},"19614889","tssva","Many would also consider the inclusion of Brave in the browser categories as dubious. Their business model comes very close to being a shakedown operation.",[130],{"value":131,"source":63,"evidence":132},"Explain the selection criteria for ethical",[133,137],{"id":134,"by":135,"text":136},"19614188","jmull","If that's the criteria it should be included fairly prominently on the site -- so visitors can understand and choose whether or not to use and contribute to the site.",{"id":138,"by":139,"text":140},"19615294","mcv","> whose ethics? But is that not clear? The ethics of the person who made that list. You may not agree with it, and that's fine, but it's still useful to people who do agree with…",[142,150],{"value":143,"source":63,"evidence":144},"How is ethical defined here?",[145,146],{"id":82,"by":83,"text":84},{"id":147,"by":148,"text":149},"19614125","nkozyra","> How is ethical defined here? Yeah, I'm not sure I follow this at all. 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