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If you're talking from a purely privacy perspective, the important questions are (1) are you taking analytics? (2) what are you…",{"id":47,"by":48,"text":49},"21652235","VWWHFSfQ","> In order to circumvent tracking limitations imposed by browsers and programs, you can implement first-party cookies. Well at least they're forthcoming about knowing they're…",{"id":51,"by":11,"text":52},"21649862","A few websites that are disguising third-party trackers: Fox News: https:\u002F\u002Ftrackingthetrackers.com\u002Fsite\u002Ffoxnews.com CNN: https:\u002F\u002Ftrackingthetrackers.com\u002Fsite\u002Fcnn.com BBC:…",{"value":54,"source":40,"evidence":55},"Privacy-conscious web users and researchers",[56,60],{"id":57,"by":58,"text":59},"21653468","lstamour","Back when I was working for a site on their first-party in-house analytics, the only blocker to catch it was https:\u002F\u002Fapps.apple.com\u002Fca\u002Fapp\u002Fbetter-blocker\u002Fid1080964978 (Better…",{"id":61,"by":62,"text":63},"21652473","dspillett","> anything a user can do to avoid third-party tracking at sites like these? Not really, other than as you say simply going elsewhere. 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For example, checking news.ycombinator.com redirects to checking ycombinator.com.",{"id":86,"by":87,"text":88},"21653231","3xblah","If we request each of those pages, e.g., foxnews.com, cnn.com, bbc.co.uk, etc. with a simple HTTP client (no JavaScript engine) and we look at the subdomains that appear in each…",{"value":90,"source":71,"evidence":91},"CNAME cloaking is hard to block with browser extensions",[92],{"id":93,"by":94,"text":95},"21654183","garren","It's not that browser add-ons aren't capable of blocking them, it's that a) browser extensions generally don't have access to dns resolution, b) even if they did, cname tracker…",[],[98],{"value":99,"source":71,"evidence":100},"Where is the line between first-party and third-party analytics?",[101,105],{"id":102,"by":103,"text":104},"21651758","teamjimmyy","We now have trackers acting like first-party properties, but where do you draw the line between first-party and third-party? 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