[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":436},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-2289635":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":29,"sentiment":30,"stance_mix":31,"scored_comments":36,"aspects":37,"strip":48,"post_text":49,"what":50,"said":119,"maker_in_thread":266,"shape":274,"grid":279,"attempts":401,"same_week":402,"maker_shows":41,"maker_hidden":429,"reader_version":430,"card":431},"2289635","Phoneify","20 hours with Rails 3 & Twilio","title","Show HN: Phoneify - 20 hours with Rails 3 & Twilio","http:\u002F\u002Fphoneify.com","phoneify.com","sghael",1299270546,2011,95,57,121,1097,12,"notable","web_saas","phone verification widget","web_app",[24,25,26,27,28],"phone verification","sms verification","twilio","rails 3","captcha alternative","mixed",0.26,{"positive":32,"neutral":33,"mixed":34,"critical":35},14,18,3,4,39,{"design":38,"docs":40,"pricing":42,"idea":43,"execution":45,"performance":47},{"positive":35,"critical":39},0,{"positive":41,"critical":39},1,{"positive":39,"critical":39},{"positive":44,"critical":39},5,{"positive":46,"critical":35},2,{"positive":41,"critical":39},[39,44,34,34,34,39,39,34,44,34,39,44,44,34,44,34,44,41,34,34,39,34,39,34,34,41,34,34,34,44,44,44,41,39,41,34,39,44,44,44],"I wrote this over the last couple of weeks using Rails 3, Twilio and a variety of Gems, putting in about 2 hours per day.  I'd love any feedback from the HN community on any aspects of the site (design, API construction, documentation, marketing, pricing which is TBD).\n\nOn a related note:  I have to say that I'm really flying with Rails 3.  Typically I roll with Django, but have been super impressed with the Rails 3.  Feels really clean, and there are some Gems that make the more mundane parts of the webapp construction fun and agile:  Haml\u002FSass, blueprint, Fancy-buttons, Devise.\n\nI'll probabl",{"problem":51,"audience":62,"pricing":71,"motivation":80,"time_to_build":84,"stack":89,"openness":116,"stage":117,"team_size":118},{"value":52,"source":53,"evidence":54},"Verifying users by phone number instead of relying on email or captchas","maker",[55,58],{"id":56,"by":11,"text":57},"2290725","Phone numbers are less disposable than email addresses (generally speaking), and thus you are less likely to have fraudulent\u002Fshady transactions occur on your site if the user is…",{"id":59,"by":60,"text":61},"2289945","sammville","Nice App! 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Great layout and everyone looks really polished. I look forward to your tricks and shortcuts write up.",{"id":130,"by":131,"text":132},"2289858","mikecarlton","Nice job on the layout, very clean. I too would be quite interested in your notes about design and layout.",{"id":134,"by":135,"text":136},"2293550","realitygrill","Looks gorgeous. Would you be willing to list everything you need to know (as a beginning programmer) to be able to build something like this? Look forward to your blog post!",{"value":138,"source":123,"evidence":139},"Simple, elegant idea that is easy to integrate",[140,144,148],{"id":141,"by":142,"text":143},"2291287","phatbyte","I love it, easy to use, and it seems very simple to integrate. Much more cool than captcha. congrats",{"id":145,"by":146,"text":147},"2289789","minouye","Amazing--I've worked on projects before where if the barriers to integrating with existing solutions were lower, phone verification would have really helped. 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But it looks like that is because the prices don't exist yet. I would definitely look at using…",{"id":176,"by":177,"text":178},"2290616","lurchpop","Beautiful execution. Gorgeous really. Would like to see pricing. Don't be shy about it, dude. This is valuable service you're offering with a barrier of entry about as high as…",{"id":180,"by":181,"text":182},"2291578","_b8r0","Wow. That's an amazing idea and gorgeously executed. You should be really proud of that, put some prices in - you're in a great position to make a killing from this service.",{"value":184,"source":123,"evidence":185},"Verification code failed or did not arrive for some users",[186,190,194],{"id":187,"by":188,"text":189},"2290140","dr_","I tried your demo but it didn't work for me. I opted to verify by phone, got the phone call, entered the verification code but it said verification code incorrect (i typed it…",{"id":191,"by":192,"text":193},"2291732","random42","Dint work for me (Also in india)",{"id":195,"by":196,"text":197},"2291590","fdb","Didn't work at all in Belgium. Tried it twice, no SMS response. I'm in an area with perfect coverage.",{"value":199,"source":123,"evidence":200},"Possible trademark conflict with Phonify.com",[201],{"id":202,"by":203,"text":204},"2292195","wittjeff","+1 for great execution. Nice visuals. Did you do them yourself? If not, a reference would be great. +1 for needing pricing details upfront. 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Do you support international numbers or just US only for now?",{"id":243,"by":244,"text":245},"2289782","valjavec","Sweet & simple. 2 questions: - works world-wide or US only? - how much do you charge per verification (SMS \u002F voice)... can't find on a website, but I see I have $20 balance",{"value":247,"source":123,"evidence":248},"How is hosting and scalability handled?",[249],{"id":250,"by":251,"text":252},"2291343","zmmmmm","Curious what your hosting \u002F reliability \u002F scalability strategy is, if any at this point? If my web site sign ups would rely on your service I'd be looking to be reassured about…",[254,259],{"value":255,"source":123,"evidence":256},"Email verification and captchas",[257,258],{"id":59,"by":60,"text":61},{"id":141,"by":142,"text":143},{"value":260,"source":123,"evidence":261},"Twilio's own verification flows",[262],{"id":263,"by":264,"text":265},"2290063","danielzarick","Listic is correct. 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