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There is sometimes a real lack of incentive to seed a file, especially for obscure files where you may only find a single digit number…",{"value":59,"source":52,"evidence":60},"Add monetary incentives to torrenting to encourage seeding",[61],{"id":55,"by":56,"text":57},[63,70],{"value":64,"source":52,"evidence":65},"Ethereum",[66],{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},"23603964","monokh","It's probably worth noting the horrible privacy characteristics of Ethereum. With the right resources, It's straightforward to track down the identity behind the seeders.",{"value":71,"source":52,"evidence":72},"State channels",[73],{"id":74,"by":75,"text":76},"23607813","Acrobatic_Road","This uses state channels for payment which is more secretive than using regular ethereum transactions. To take the cake, the funds can be mixed on tornado.cash or AZTEC or…","unknown","beta",{"praise":80,"objections":96,"requests":134,"questions":142,"alternatives":154},[81],{"value":82,"source":52,"evidence":83},"Interesting technology that could incentivize seeding",[84,88,92],{"id":85,"by":86,"text":87},"23602798","mratsim","This has implications way beyond torrenting. This solves the incentivization of bandwidth in a decentralized way. If we now solve the closely related incentivization of long-term…",{"id":89,"by":90,"text":91},"23602633","reidjs","I like this approach to incentivize seeding, this could create a boom in torrenting if it works decently well and enough people hop on board. Too bad this is only running on test…",{"id":93,"by":94,"text":95},"23607952","neiman","Like other people here, I think it's technologically interesting. Also, like many others, I don't see any great practical use-cases for this right now. However, \"if you build it…",[97,109,120,130],{"value":98,"source":52,"evidence":99},"No practical use case beyond a tech demo",[100,104,108],{"id":101,"by":102,"text":103},"23603446","ActsJuvenile","Furthermore, downloading the Ethereum Blockchain, going through shady exchanges to buy ether coins, and maintaining a secure wallet is a much bigger headache than simply paying…",{"id":105,"by":106,"text":107},"23604535","homakov","I can routinely download any torrent in the world on top speed... What problem does it solve? Torrents, as a poor choice for the \"killer app\", aside, state channels are a curious…",{"id":93,"by":94,"text":95},{"value":110,"source":52,"evidence":111},"Copyright and rights-holder payment problems",[112,116],{"id":113,"by":114,"text":115},"23607848","tomphoolery","> Users can upload files and begin seeding to earn small, incremental, amounts of money from anyone that downloads from them. How do you know that the user uploading the file…",{"id":117,"by":118,"text":119},"23603240","slg","People pay for private trackers? Every private tracker I have heard of is free to use. They handle the seeding motivation problem by having rules in place that require whatever…",{"value":121,"source":52,"evidence":122},"Legal liability for getting paid to share pirated files",[123,127],{"id":124,"by":125,"text":126},"23603488","sudosysgen","If you got paid for torrenting, a lot less people would torrent because of the much increased legal liability and massive increase in lawsuits.",{"id":128,"by":125,"text":129},"23603804","Most countries have much different penalties for piracy and selling pirated goods. For example, in Canada, the penalty for non-commercial infringement is generally about 100$,…",{"value":131,"source":52,"evidence":132},"Ethereum privacy weaknesses make seeders traceable",[133],{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},[135],{"value":136,"source":52,"evidence":137},"Support for native torrent clients via BEP",[138],{"id":139,"by":140,"text":141},"23608536","awirth","Is there a BEP to make this work for native torrents too? Also I don't understand the name \"Web3torrent\", is it intended to indicate a new version?",[143,150],{"value":144,"source":52,"evidence":145},"Can one channel pay multiple seeders",[146],{"id":147,"by":148,"text":149},"23603290","typingmonkey","Can one state channel be used to pay multiple seeders? 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Mojo Nation aimed to solve exactly the problems you're talking about. It was too ambitious for its time, apparently,…",{"value":182,"source":52,"evidence":183},"DTube, PeerTube, LBRY, Livepeer",[184],{"id":185,"by":186,"text":187},"23603775","derefr","https:\u002F\u002Fabout.d.tube\u002F, https:\u002F\u002Fjoinpeertube.org\u002F, https:\u002F\u002Flbry.com\u002F, https:\u002F\u002Fverasity.io\u002F, https:\u002F\u002Flivepeer.org\u002F. Everybody's doing it. Not clear if anybody cares.",{"comments":45,"answered":45,"key":189},[190],{"id":191,"text":192},"23603351","The budget concept is a security measure between the app and the wallet, so that the app code only has control over a fixed amount of funds in the wallet. 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