[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":525},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-25045422":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":27,"sentiment":28,"stance_mix":29,"scored_comments":34,"aspects":35,"strip":46,"post_text":48,"what":49,"said":98,"maker_in_thread":237,"shape":248,"grid":253,"attempts":483,"same_week":488,"maker_shows":47,"maker_hidden":517,"reader_version":518,"card":519},"25045422","SecureAppy","A modern vault for families","title","Show HN: SecureAppy – A modern vault for families","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.secureappy.com\u002F","secureappy.com","daniel_sushil",1605012991,2020,39,95,1225,3028,41,"shown","security_privacy","password manager","mobile_app",[21,24,25,26],"family sharing","encrypted vault","shared passwords","roasted",-0.421,{"positive":30,"neutral":31,"mixed":32,"critical":33},4,11,0,23,38,{"idea":36,"privacy":39,"docs":41,"pricing":43,"design":45},{"positive":37,"critical":38},2,9,{"positive":32,"critical":40},7,{"positive":32,"critical":42},5,{"positive":32,"critical":44},1,{"positive":44,"critical":44},[44,44,44,47,47,44,44,44,44,44,44,32,32,44,32,32,32,47,32,42,47,44,47,44,42,44,32,32,32,32,32,47,44,44,44,47,44,44,44,47],3,null,{"problem":50,"audience":60,"pricing":67,"motivation":76,"time_to_build":48,"stack":83,"openness":96,"stage":97,"team_size":96},{"value":51,"source":52,"evidence":53},"Sharing sensitive passwords, notes and photos securely with family members","maker",[54,57],{"id":55,"by":11,"text":56},"25048872","Hi damnencryption - although other popular password managers offer a sharing feature, we felt like it was still cumbersome to use for a normal user. We tried to make this app…",{"id":58,"by":11,"text":59},"25058551","Hi Brajeshwar, if you think about the whole password management suite that other popular password managers offer, yes it is a really big task in itself. However, SecureAppy…",{"value":61,"source":52,"evidence":62},"Families and couples; also small businesses sharing with co-workers",[63,64],{"id":55,"by":11,"text":56},{"id":65,"by":11,"text":66},"25047618","Hi amelius - all your need is a person's phone number to invite them and start sharing passwords with them.",{"value":68,"source":52,"evidence":69},"Free version; freemium model planned with premium features",[70,73],{"id":71,"by":11,"text":72},"25048778","Thank you for your feedback newscracker. This free version will always remain free. Unless you are sharing, the passwords\u002Fnotes\u002Fpictures you store are encrypted and stored on…",{"id":74,"by":11,"text":75},"25047504","Hi pnutjam, this free version will always remain free. Unless you are sharing, the pictures you store are encrypted and stored on your own device (basically using your iCloud…",{"value":77,"source":52,"evidence":78},"Make sharing sensitive information with family as simple as possible",[79,80],{"id":55,"by":11,"text":56},{"id":81,"by":11,"text":82},"25047596","Fastest way to share, price and ease of use is what we see as differentiators. We wanted to make sharing stuff securely as simple as sharing a snap on snapchat!",[84],{"value":85,"source":86,"evidence":87},"iOS app (Swift\u002FXcode)","inferred",[88,92],{"id":89,"by":90,"text":91},"25046831","sgt","As someone who develops for iOS and Mac, I sometimes ask: why put in the effort of making it cross platform? Most Apple users are happy in their ecosystem, and they pay for apps.…",{"id":93,"by":94,"text":95},"25046645","programmarchy","Might use iCloud for data storage, which allows the developer to shift hosting \u002F storage costs to the user.","unknown","launched",{"praise":99,"objections":115,"requests":163,"questions":190,"alternatives":207},[100,108],{"value":101,"source":102,"evidence":103},"Clean design and landing page","commenter",[104],{"id":105,"by":106,"text":107},"25047193","thrownaway954","all the comments here are getting hung up on the encryption. me, personally, i think you did a hell of a job with this. personally i'm not going to be sharing any launch codes…",{"value":109,"source":102,"evidence":110},"Multi-platform sharing is a plus for couples",[111],{"id":112,"by":113,"text":114},"25058472","Zitrax","Agree, this is definitely a use case where multi platform is a big plus since the whole idea is to share data.",[116,134,145,149,156],{"value":117,"source":102,"evidence":118},"Security claims like military grade encryption and 4\u002F6-digit passcodes are weak or misleading",[119,123,126,130],{"id":120,"by":121,"text":122},"25046809","oefrha","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.secureappy.com\u002Fsecurity: > Any data you save in the app is protected by military grade encryption (AES256 + PBKDF2). SecureAppy uses your passcode that only you know…",{"id":124,"by":121,"text":125},"25047468","There's nothing wrong with allowing a 4-bit passcode. The problem is that you're claiming \"no one, not even SecureAppy can unlock or see your data\" which is just not true when…",{"id":127,"by":128,"text":129},"25048023","zrobotics","Just a note: the phrase \"military grade encryption\" is so polluted that you probably want to remove it from marketing pages. I'm definitely not alone in thinking of cringey…",{"id":131,"by":132,"text":133},"25047106","jedisct1","I closed the browser tab after reading \"Militray Grade Encryption\".",{"value":135,"source":102,"evidence":136},"Business model and long-term survival unclear",[137,141],{"id":138,"by":139,"text":140},"25048581","newscracker","To the OP: The very first question I’d like to see addressed in an FAQ for a “free” app or service is what the business model is and how the company expects to survive. If I…",{"id":142,"by":143,"text":144},"25046769","draugadrotten","The app is free. How do you plan to make money from it, so that it can stay in operation? Don't want to suddenly find out all our passwords are gone. Why would we put photos…",{"value":146,"source":102,"evidence":147},"Closed source despite end-to-end encryption claims",[148],{"id":138,"by":139,"text":140},{"value":150,"source":102,"evidence":151},"iOS only",[152],{"id":153,"by":154,"text":155},"25045786","denysvitali","Looks cool, but why is it only available for iOS?",{"value":157,"source":102,"evidence":158},"Security page lacks technical detail",[159],{"id":160,"by":161,"text":162},"25046826","justin_oaks","The security page [1] is extremely light on details. For example, sharing information with others usually involves asymmetric encryption (public\u002Fprivate key) such as RSA or…",[164,171,179,183],{"value":165,"source":102,"evidence":166},"Publish a security white paper",[167,168],{"id":120,"by":121,"text":122},{"id":169,"by":11,"text":170},"25047403","Hi oefra! Thanks for the feedback. We wanted to provide the same security pattern that iPhone's provide - 4 digit, 6 digit and alphanumeric. This gives the user the power to…",{"value":172,"source":102,"evidence":173},"Add a FAQ on business model",[174,175],{"id":138,"by":139,"text":140},{"id":176,"by":177,"text":178},"25051236","pnutjam","Thanks for explaining. I'd suggest you add some sort of faq or something on your page for people who might be interested in this. 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