[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":921},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-26069621":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":29,"sentiment":30,"stance_mix":31,"scored_comments":36,"aspects":37,"strip":50,"post_text":53,"what":54,"said":104,"maker_in_thread":277,"shape":287,"grid":290,"attempts":885,"same_week":886,"maker_shows":49,"maker_hidden":914,"reader_version":915,"card":916},"26069621","Clerk","all of user management as-a-service, not just authentication","title","Show HN: Clerk – all of user management as-a-service, not just authentication","https:\u002F\u002Fclerk.dev\u002Fblog\u002Fall-of-user-management-not-just-authentication","clerk.dev","colinclerk",1612815932,2021,582,223,35,2533,2,"legend","web_saas","user management as a service","api",[24,25,26,27,28],"user management","authentication","auth as a service","session management","react components","mixed",-0.16,{"positive":32,"neutral":33,"mixed":34,"critical":35},19,48,3,36,106,{"privacy":38,"idea":40,"design":42,"pricing":44,"docs":46,"execution":47,"performance":48},{"positive":18,"critical":39},14,{"positive":41,"critical":41},10,{"positive":18,"critical":43},0,{"positive":18,"critical":45},7,{"positive":43,"critical":18},{"positive":43,"critical":43},{"positive":43,"critical":49},1,[49,43,43,49,43,43,51,52,34,34,49,34,49,52,18,49,34,18,51,49,49,43,49,43,49,18,18,18,49,18,34,34,34,51,49,34,52,18,34,52],5,4,null,{"problem":55,"audience":62,"pricing":66,"motivation":77,"time_to_build":53,"stack":81,"openness":101,"stage":102,"team_size":103},{"value":56,"source":57,"evidence":58},"Handling user management, not just login, so developers spend less time on it","maker",[59],{"id":60,"by":11,"text":61},"26069627","Hi HN - We couldn't be more excited to launch Clerk and help developers solve all of user management. It's been quite a journey to reach this point, with over a year of iteration…",{"value":63,"source":57,"evidence":64},"Developers building web applications",[65],{"id":60,"by":11,"text":61},{"value":67,"source":68,"evidence":69},"Free up to 5,000 monthly active users, paid tiers from $49\u002Fmonth","commenter",[70,74],{"id":71,"by":72,"text":73},"26070805","rexreed","The pricing model has me confused: 1) Pricing is free up to 5,000 MAU 2) But the next pricing grade starts at 1,000 MAU for $49\u002Fmo + $0.05\u002FMAU additional so if you have 5,001 MAU…",{"id":75,"by":11,"text":76},"26071251","Hey all - looks like there's a lot of confusion on the pricing model here. That's our fault, sorry! The free plan does not include 2-step verification, and that was the reason…",{"value":78,"source":57,"evidence":79},"Make user management easier for developers, beyond login",[80],{"id":60,"by":11,"text":61},[82,88,94],{"value":83,"source":57,"evidence":84},"React SDK",[85],{"id":86,"by":11,"text":87},"26071769","Thanks for the question! Right now we only have an SDK for React, but under the hood that SDK is a thin wrapper over Vanilla JS. What other frameworks would you like to see…",{"value":89,"source":57,"evidence":90},"Node SDK",[91],{"id":92,"by":11,"text":93},"26070670","Hi Colin! On your backend, Clerk gives you a stable User ID for each user. You're free to use it as a foreign key in your database as you normally would. (clerk.dev runs on…",{"value":95,"source":68,"evidence":96},"Next.js integration",[97],{"id":98,"by":99,"text":100},"26070105","Rauchg","Really good stuff. The Next.js integration story is already really quite good[1] and the Clerk team has really good ideas on how to make it even better and more seamless. It's…","unknown","launched","team",{"praise":105,"objections":121,"requests":168,"questions":210,"alternatives":251},[106,110,117],{"value":107,"source":68,"evidence":108},"Good Next.js integration",[109],{"id":98,"by":99,"text":100},{"value":111,"source":68,"evidence":112},"Useful for prototyping and growing products",[113],{"id":114,"by":115,"text":116},"26076034","hmsimha","I can immediately see how this would be useful for prototyping (and growing) a product! But it might be helpful to include a FAQ answering (at least) the following questions: -…",{"value":118,"source":68,"evidence":119},"Fills a gap beyond authentication",[120],{"id":98,"by":99,"text":100},[122,137,149,154,161],{"value":123,"source":68,"evidence":124},"Trust in a third party holding user data",[125,129,133],{"id":126,"by":127,"text":128},"26070068","taytus","This is my question as well. It's an honest question and hopefully someone can educate me. Why would anyone trust a third party with what is the most important asset, their…",{"id":130,"by":131,"text":132},"26070051","faeyanpiraat","I'm even hesitant to trust Auth0 for this, why would I trust a new company?",{"id":134,"by":135,"text":136},"26070891","ziftface","I can't speak for anyone else, but I would trust a service like this a lot more if i could easily export all my data. I would do so on a regular basis, basically as a backup. The…",{"value":138,"source":68,"evidence":139},"Vendor lock-in and no easy data export",[140,141,145],{"id":134,"by":135,"text":136},{"id":142,"by":143,"text":144},"26070302","grinich","I'm the founder of WorkOS (https:\u002F\u002Fnews.ycombinator.com\u002Fitem?id=22607402) which is sort of close to this so wanted to share a thought or two. WorkOS has taken the alternative…",{"id":146,"by":147,"text":148},"26072579","TedDoesntTalk","I can’t think of a more dangerous way to tie your revenue to someone else’s product. And what if you want to drop this vendor?",{"value":150,"source":68,"evidence":151},"Confusing pricing and free tier limits",[152,153],{"id":71,"by":72,"text":73},{"id":114,"by":115,"text":116},{"value":155,"source":68,"evidence":156},"Security headers and third-party CDN JS concerns",[157],{"id":158,"by":159,"text":160},"26071295","SahAssar","I'm probably not the main audience for this, but if you mention security as a top-level feature it might be good to fix these:…",{"value":162,"source":68,"evidence":163},"Django and other frameworks already include user management",[164],{"id":165,"by":166,"text":167},"26070058","yuppiepuppie","As someone who uses Django which has user management out of the box, why would I use a service like this?",[169,177,188,199],{"value":170,"source":68,"evidence":171},"Data export and self-hosted option",[172,176],{"id":173,"by":174,"text":175},"26072133","Diggsey","Have you considered offering an on-premise solution? Ideally a docker image you can easily stand up and point to a postgres DB. I can only imagine using this \"for real\" if I…",{"id":134,"by":135,"text":136},{"value":178,"source":68,"evidence":179},"Subscription and billing management",[180,184],{"id":181,"by":182,"text":183},"26069906","asimjalis","Nice. If you could also add the ability to charge subscriptions from users and manage their subscription plans this would become a no-brainer. Also your pricing model could…",{"id":185,"by":186,"text":187},"26071881","kulor","Really cool, love your positioning towards the frontend as frameworks like Django handle the static side fairly well. I can't see it yet but I'm expectant you'd have ancillary…",{"value":189,"source":68,"evidence":190},"Organization and team support",[191,195],{"id":192,"by":193,"text":194},"26069953","mritchie712","Do you handle teams? Eg for a b2b SaaS?",{"id":196,"by":197,"text":198},"26072959","o_____________o","I'll take another look when you start supporting Org features like adding clients with seats. I would love to have something simple to use for an admin product.",{"value":200,"source":68,"evidence":201},"Frameworks beyond React and native mobile support",[202,206],{"id":203,"by":204,"text":205},"26070579","spankalee","Are the components only available for React?",{"id":207,"by":208,"text":209},"26070965","_rohan","This is great. Do you have plans to provide any native mobile (iOS\u002Fandroid) support?",[211,226,237,244],{"value":212,"source":68,"evidence":213},"How it differs from Auth0, Okta, Cognito and FusionAuth",[214,218,222],{"id":215,"by":216,"text":217},"26069967","sixhobbits","Definitely see the need for this but its not that clear to me how it differs from eg FusionAuth which is positioned as an \"Auth\" solution but actually does everything(?) you call…",{"id":219,"by":220,"text":221},"26071283","ucarion","Two questions: 1. Why use this over AWS Cognito? 2. Any intention to manage authorization as well?",{"id":223,"by":224,"text":225},"26071521","the_arun","How do you guys compare your service with Auth0 OR Okta?",{"value":227,"source":68,"evidence":228},"Whether user schema can be extended with custom attributes",[229,233],{"id":230,"by":231,"text":232},"26070185","zorbash","Is the User schema[1] extensible? Can I add custom attributes or metadata to my users? [1] https:\u002F\u002Ffrontend-docs.clerk.dev\u002Fobject-reference\u002Fuser",{"id":234,"by":235,"text":236},"26070400","colinmorelli","What's the story around extensibility? I feel like it starts to get murky when the boundaries of data ownership are unclear. What if I have some bespoke user-level data that…",{"value":238,"source":68,"evidence":239},"SOC 2 compliance",[240],{"id":241,"by":242,"text":243},"26070148","itisit","SOC 2?",{"value":245,"source":68,"evidence":246},"What happens if the service goes down",[247],{"id":248,"by":249,"text":250},"26070714","catchmeifyoucan","This is very promising! Going down this path now. 2 questions: 1. What happens if you go down? Then our users can’t auth in right? 2. I saw in one of the screenshots the ability…",[252,257,265,269,273],{"value":253,"source":68,"evidence":254},"Auth0",[255,256],{"id":130,"by":131,"text":132},{"id":223,"by":224,"text":225},{"value":258,"source":68,"evidence":259},"Okta",[260,264],{"id":261,"by":262,"text":263},"26071074","type_Ben_struct","Looks great and I can see a lot of value in this having been disappointed myself with how much is left to the developer with services like Auth0 and Okta. Could you expand some…",{"id":223,"by":224,"text":225},{"value":266,"source":68,"evidence":267},"AWS Cognito",[268],{"id":219,"by":220,"text":221},{"value":270,"source":68,"evidence":271},"FusionAuth",[272],{"id":215,"by":216,"text":217},{"value":274,"source":68,"evidence":275},"WorkOS",[276],{"id":142,"by":143,"text":144},{"comments":278,"answered":45,"key":279},13,[280,283,284],{"id":281,"text":282},"26071689","Thank you for calling out the headers. We'll work to resolve right away. And agreed on the CDN JS. We'll move these assets to the customer's domain.",{"id":60,"text":61},{"id":285,"text":286},"26070127","Hi dubcanada, Thanks for your questions! It's good feedback that there's no security documentation up yet. 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