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I've been looking for something like this and I'm still undecided, with Joplin and StandardNotes leading the…",{"value":169,"source":69,"evidence":170},"Pricing hidden on website and App Store",[171],{"id":172,"by":173,"text":174},"28632189","beachwood23","This looks really cool. But my pet peeve is hidden pricing for paid products. If it's worth buying, then show the price up front. I can't easily view the price anywhere on the…",{"value":176,"source":69,"evidence":177},"Mac-only, no mobile app or sync yet",[178,182,183],{"id":179,"by":180,"text":181},"28632700","bachmeier","Simple curiosity, with no claim of good or bad. Why a Mac app in 2021 when that excludes such a large part of the market?",{"id":119,"by":120,"text":121},{"id":184,"by":185,"text":186},"28632092","bjtitus","This looks really awesome! I always find myself looking for a mobile companion for these types of apps, though (it's what made me stop using Roam). 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