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The reason I built this to…",{"id":60,"by":11,"text":61},"28951336","Hey! Thanks for the question. Potion is really for those that love Notion. Notion is really great for certain kinds of sites. A wiki, help center or those that just want to have…",{"value":63,"source":64,"evidence":65},"Notion users who want a website from their Notion content","maker",[66,70],{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},"28952294","trkulja","Hey Noah nice to see you here! Glad I could contribute even a small amount (the Savvy Portfolio template) to this awesome project. To the people here wondering how does this…",{"id":60,"by":11,"text":61},{"value":72,"source":64,"evidence":73},"Paid subscription; a trial is offered and no card is charged during it",[74,77],{"id":75,"by":11,"text":76},"28954323","Hey, well you can always cancel before the trial is over. We won't charge your card. Hope that pushes play on your pause. :)",{"id":78,"by":79,"text":80},"28950822","zapt02","It's built on top of Notion, so you pay for Notion and you pay for Potion as well. :-) Actually it's a bit funny because Potion is 2.5x more expensive than the Personal plan on…",[82],{"value":83,"source":84,"evidence":85},"Next.js","commenter",[86],{"id":87,"by":88,"text":89},"28948208","jitl","(I work at Notion) It looks like most of the guidance on Pagespeed for large images, and layout shift due to images. The guidance to fix is to set fixed images sizes for these…","unknown","launched",{"praise":93,"objections":115,"requests":149,"questions":164,"alternatives":184},[94,104],{"value":95,"source":84,"evidence":96},"Instant updates when the Notion page changes",[97,101],{"id":98,"by":99,"text":100},"28948702","zoozla","I switched from super.so and I absolute love the instant update. Used to smash the refresh button quite a bit to get things to update!",{"id":102,"by":11,"text":103},"28947896","Thanks for the question. Two main things currently. When you update your Notion page or styles it updates your site immediately so it makes for a nice editing experience where…",{"value":105,"source":84,"evidence":106},"Nice for existing Notion users wanting a simple site",[107,111],{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},"28950276","rchaud","I think it's more for existing Notion users that may wish to have a tiny microsite about something. Someone already invested in Notion isn't going to care about self-hosting.",{"id":112,"by":113,"text":114},"28952774","gavin_gee","Whilst there will be lots of folks who complain at performance - its not as if notion is designed to be the backend api for a website, but i have to believe that continuing to…",[116,131,142],{"value":117,"source":84,"evidence":118},"Page speed scores are low",[119,123,127],{"id":120,"by":121,"text":122},"28947577","itake","notion websites are so slow. Google's page speed for your home page has a score of 42. Why does it say \"fast page speed\" and \"great seo\"? This [1] demo scores 81 and this[2] has…",{"id":124,"by":125,"text":126},"28952368","jokethrowaway","42 is pretty bad and I'm getting a 33 on potion.so, 60-70 on the demos (it could be that the server load from HN is contributing to it). I just spent some significant effort…",{"id":128,"by":129,"text":130},"28952418","weird-eye-issue","42 is actually awful... My WordPress sites with large amount of images and content are all above 90, easily",{"value":132,"source":84,"evidence":133},"Price is high for a small microsite",[134,138],{"id":135,"by":136,"text":137},"28950561","pydry","A tiny microsite for $120\u002Fyear tho.",{"id":139,"by":140,"text":141},"28951329","filmgirlcw","This. $10 a month isn’t unheard of but when commodity VPS hosting is $5 a month (if not less) and stuff like WordPress.com is $8 a month and Netlify and GitHub Pages exist, I…",{"value":143,"source":84,"evidence":144},"Lock-in to Notion and Potion",[145],{"id":146,"by":147,"text":148},"28949779","IceWreck","I mean this is cool and all but this is literally double lock in. Notion can't be self hosted and neither can this. Why would you depend on either of these for your website. 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For…",{"value":161,"source":84,"evidence":162},"Per-page script injection in header or footer",[163],{"id":154,"by":155,"text":156},[165,180],{"value":166,"source":84,"evidence":167},"How does it compare to Super, Squarespace or Wix",[168,172,176],{"id":169,"by":170,"text":171},"28947780","intunderflow","Nice stuff, what sets you apart from your competitors like https:\u002F\u002Fsuper.so\u002F ?",{"id":173,"by":174,"text":175},"28951053","orliesaurus","Don't take this the wrong way, it must be scary to do a Show HN, so high5 to you, but...what's the appeal of this over a Carrrd, Wix or Squarespace which already has a good UI \u002F…",{"id":177,"by":178,"text":179},"28950211","brundolf","How does this compare to, for example, Squarespace?",{"value":181,"source":84,"evidence":182},"Whether CloudFront or Cloudflare can sit in front of it",[183],{"id":154,"by":155,"text":156},[185,193,198,209],{"value":186,"source":84,"evidence":187},"Super.so",[188,189],{"id":169,"by":170,"text":171},{"id":190,"by":191,"text":192},"28952918","skinnymuch","For nav menu do you mean something customizable or breadcrumb “menu” following Notion’s\u002Fthe url sort of thing? What do submenus mean for this? I’m using super.so right now and…",{"value":194,"source":84,"evidence":195},"Squarespace, Wix, Carrd",[196,197],{"id":173,"by":174,"text":175},{"id":154,"by":155,"text":156},{"value":199,"source":84,"evidence":200},"WordPress",[201,205],{"id":202,"by":203,"text":204},"28950160","satvikpendem","Most people don't care, they just want a site that works. It's useful because Notion itself is WYSIWYG where whatever you type is what shows up, much more flexible than something…",{"id":206,"by":207,"text":208},"28950385","noahtallen","> much more flexible than something like WordPress WordPress is endlessly extensible and customizable, so I don’t think Notion would be more flexible. Maybe Notion is simpler or…",{"value":210,"source":84,"evidence":211},"GitHub Pages and Netlify",[212,216],{"id":213,"by":214,"text":215},"28950860","khanmaytok","I prefer to use Github Pages",{"id":217,"by":147,"text":218},"28953950","You know a site like this can be entirely static and hosted for free with github pages, gitlab pages, netlify, vercel, or any other free static site host.",{"comments":220,"answered":46,"key":221},19,[222,225,228],{"id":223,"text":224},"28950191","Thanks for this! Really interesting.",{"id":226,"text":227},"28948105","Thanks Andy! Yeah there is definitely some platform risk. I'm trying to build a close relationship with Notion which can help a bit. 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