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It's becoming a very commercial market, and companies are bought up by less reputable and bigger ones, making it hard to know what to trust. The biggest pain…",{"value":57,"source":58,"evidence":59},"People researching and choosing a VPN.","inferred",[60],{"id":54,"by":11,"text":55},{"value":62,"source":51,"evidence":63},"VPN market is commercial and reviews are hard to trust.",[64],{"id":54,"by":11,"text":55},[66,70],{"value":67,"source":51,"evidence":68},"GPT-3",[69],{"id":54,"by":11,"text":55},{"value":71,"source":51,"evidence":72},"BERT",[73],{"id":54,"by":11,"text":55},"unknown","beta",{"praise":77,"objections":86,"requests":143,"questions":167,"alternatives":181},[78],{"value":79,"source":80,"evidence":81},"Ranking summaries help research; the site surfaces useful comments.","commenter",[82],{"id":83,"by":84,"text":85},"29332298","sam_goody","Well, the site has caused some really insightful comments from knowledgeable people, which will definitely helpme choose a VPN. So in that sense, the site has already succeeded.…",[87,106,121,132],{"value":88,"source":80,"evidence":89},"Reviews are affiliate-driven and astroturfed, so ranking is untrustworthy.",[90,94,98,102],{"id":91,"by":92,"text":93},"29331589","VHRanger","Why would you use NLP to collect reviews that are astroturfed? Garbage in, garbage out Just go wirecutter style and actually research the products a minimal amount to give an…",{"id":95,"by":96,"text":97},"29331735","dymk","Again, garbage in, garbage out - how is rampant astroturfing and review fraud taken into account? Edit: the site highly ranks the ones I see pushed on YouTube, so I’m guessing…",{"id":99,"by":100,"text":101},"29332509","Guest19023892","Agreed, aggregated reviews are not helpful when you can't trust the source. For example, I just looked at the NordVPN page and all three of the highlighted YouTube reviews are…",{"id":103,"by":104,"text":105},"29332204","lifeisgood99","How do I pick a VPN from this website? Let's say I go with the #1 Trending VPN, it scores very well, but the Reddit threads are negative. The \"Reviews by Topic\" are then…",{"value":107,"source":80,"evidence":108},"Top-ranked NordVPN has a poor security record.",[109,113,117],{"id":110,"by":111,"text":112},"29331957","0xy","The #1 result NordVPN had servers hacked to root and then attempted to covered up the huge security breach rather than disclose it. [1] Not to mention their concealed…",{"id":114,"by":115,"text":116},"29332128","devmor","The fact that NordVPN is somehow #1 immediately discounts whatever algorithm you've designed for this. Under no circumstances would I ever consider a VPN that's been breached…",{"id":118,"by":119,"text":120},"29333593","addingnumbers","March 5, 2018: Hacker gets root access and key material on a NordVPN server. 404 days after hack, NordVPN finally discovers server is compromised 594 days after hack, a twitter…",{"value":122,"source":80,"evidence":123},"Affiliate income conflicts with honest reviews.",[124,128],{"id":125,"by":126,"text":127},"29332448","pydry","It's curious that your #1 listed VPN NordVPN has a pretty tasty affiliate program but I can't see Mullvad (no affiliate program) on your front page at all in spite of it being…",{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},"29331948","criddell","Do you earn affiliate fees if I sign up for something after being referred by your site? If so, I won't trust it.",{"value":133,"source":80,"evidence":134},"Email popup was intrusive, though it was removed.",[135,139],{"id":136,"by":137,"text":138},"29331801","ortusdux","Just one data point, but the \"No, I'm not interested in joining a fun community or a chance to win an awesome VPN\" text on the solicitation for my email after ~20 seconds on the…",{"id":140,"by":141,"text":142},"29331902","latexr","Haven’t been on the website for one minute and you already shoved a popup in my face asking for my email. The options are “submit” or “No, I'm not interested in joining a fun…",[144,152,159],{"value":145,"source":80,"evidence":146},"Disclose ownership and affiliate relationships.",[147,151],{"id":148,"by":149,"text":150},"29331785","jamescun","What you'll find difficult is establishing trust. I have no reason to believe your review site is a shill for another company, but I have no reason not to believe that either. It…",{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},{"value":153,"source":80,"evidence":154},"Show criteria-based ratings rather than aggregated reviews.",[155],{"id":156,"by":157,"text":158},"29332272","LarryDarrell","I thought the general consensus was that the only VPN worth a damn was Mullvad? I'm not interested in a review aggregator. Individual reviews are the problem in the first place.…",{"value":160,"source":80,"evidence":161},"Add Mullvad and remove or warn on NordVPN and ExpressVPN.",[162,163],{"id":125,"by":126,"text":127},{"id":164,"by":165,"text":166},"29332491","jph","Avoid ExpressVPN & NordVPN because of problems with support and shady practices. I suggest you delete these two from your list and\u002For show prominent warnings. I currently use…",[168,173],{"value":169,"source":80,"evidence":170},"How are fake and paid reviews filtered?",[171,172],{"id":95,"by":96,"text":97},{"id":103,"by":104,"text":105},{"value":174,"source":80,"evidence":175},"Who owns the listed VPN companies?",[176,180],{"id":177,"by":178,"text":179},"29332143","soared","Is there any info on parent companies? I don't know much about VPNs but I thought ownership was conentrated into just a few firms, and that some of them are owned by chinese…",{"id":148,"by":149,"text":150},[182,190,197],{"value":183,"source":80,"evidence":184},"Mullvad VPN",[185,186],{"id":156,"by":157,"text":158},{"id":187,"by":188,"text":189},"29335818","Thorentis","I'll save you, and everybody else, the time, and just say that Mullvad is the best VPN currently available, and the day they get inevitably bought out will be a sad day. 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