[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":564},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-2976764":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":28,"sentiment":29,"stance_mix":30,"scored_comments":35,"aspects":36,"strip":46,"post_text":50,"what":51,"said":96,"maker_in_thread":228,"shape":238,"grid":243,"attempts":527,"same_week":528,"maker_shows":33,"maker_hidden":556,"reader_version":557,"card":558},"2976764","Smozzy (for Android\u002FT-Mobile)","browse the web without a data plan","title","Show HN: Smozzy (for Android\u002FT-Mobile) - browse the web without a data plan","http:\u002F\u002Fsmozzy.com","smozzy.com","FaceKicker",1315541596,2011,293,105,13,1097,2,"legend","consumer_social","mobile web browsing","mobile_app",[24,25,26,27],"sms browser","mobile web without data","android sms proxy","t-mobile mms","mixed",0.075,{"positive":31,"neutral":32,"mixed":33,"critical":34},14,20,1,11,46,{"idea":37,"execution":39,"privacy":40,"pricing":42,"design":43,"performance":44,"docs":45},{"positive":34,"critical":38},6,{"positive":33,"critical":33},{"positive":41,"critical":18},0,{"positive":41,"critical":33},{"positive":41,"critical":41},{"positive":41,"critical":33},{"positive":41,"critical":41},[41,41,41,41,41,47,47,47,41,41,33,33,48,33,47,48,48,48,48,48,33,33,49,41,41,41,41,48,48,47,49,33,48,48,47,33,48,48,47,41],5,3,4,null,{"problem":52,"audience":62,"pricing":50,"motivation":74,"time_to_build":50,"stack":83,"openness":94,"stage":95,"team_size":94},{"value":53,"source":54,"evidence":55},"Browsing the web on an Android phone without a mobile data plan","maker",[56,59],{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},"2976857","The requests (which are just URLs, and any postdata\u002Fcookies if applicable) are sent to my server via SMS. The responses are sent back to the phone via MMS, in up to 5 (I think?)…",{"id":60,"by":11,"text":61},"2976841","Not sufficient for day-to-day use, probably between 15 seconds and a minute to get a page. But if you don't have a data plan, it's possibly better than nothing...",{"value":63,"source":64,"evidence":65},"Android users with no data plan on US T-Mobile, such as prepaid or tourist users","commenter",[66,70],{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},"2977601","stefanobernardi","You sir, are a genius. This definitely helps a lot for tourists that can get unlimited text plans without data. I'll get you a few beta-testers.",{"id":71,"by":72,"text":73},"2984712","haridsv","I am wondering how expensive this would be for a pre-paid plan as a last resort to google information or fetch some mobile sites. I know it is 10c to send SMS and 25c to receive…",{"value":75,"source":76,"evidence":77},"Browse the web without a data plan, a creative hack of SMS and MMS","inferred",[78,79],{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},{"id":80,"by":81,"text":82},"2976864","e1ven","Very interesting hack. I've been trying to access the voice settings to modem-dial for a while, but I didn't think to (ab)use SMS this way. Why T-Mobile only, though? In theory,…",[84,90],{"value":85,"source":54,"evidence":86},"Android app",[87],{"id":88,"by":11,"text":89},"2977184","Thanks, it was a lot of fun :) I hope it doesn't get shut down TOO fast. I think it has a chance since the userbase will probably be very small, since the number of people who…",{"value":91,"source":54,"evidence":92},"PNG encoding of zipped page for MMS transfer",[93],{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},"unknown","launched",{"praise":97,"objections":125,"requests":169,"questions":188,"alternatives":206},[98,117],{"value":99,"source":64,"evidence":100},"Clever and creative use of SMS and MMS",[101,105,109,113],{"id":102,"by":103,"text":104},"2976849","teyc","Cute and clever. Browsing the web at 140 characters at a time.",{"id":106,"by":107,"text":108},"2976877","rokhayakebe","Man, you are clever. Check this. If this is based on SMS\u002FMMS, then I should be able to text you an address and have you return the pages as MMS.",{"id":110,"by":111,"text":112},"2978408","mikerice","You really can't think outside of the box any more than that. This is so impressive.",{"id":114,"by":115,"text":116},"2976938","calebmpeterson","That's even more horribly wonderful than I expected! I suspect you'd get a 4.0 if you went for a degree in Southern Engineering.",{"value":118,"source":64,"evidence":119},"Useful for travelers or emergencies without data",[120,121],{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},{"id":122,"by":123,"text":124},"2978529","marquis","Beautiful and really impressive use of technology. There are times when I'm outside the data network range of T-Mobile, I would make use of this. The app crashed while attempting…",[126,141,148,158],{"value":127,"source":64,"evidence":128},"Carriers will likely shut it down or block it",[129,133,137],{"id":130,"by":131,"text":132},"2977137","mattbillenstein","This is gonna get shut down so fast...",{"id":134,"by":135,"text":136},"2977353","dabeeeenster","> so that's how I do that. Probably not for long!",{"id":138,"by":139,"text":140},"2980852","eogas","This is a cool idea, but it sounds like something that will be shut down pretty quickly. If not directly, then by carriers who decide that your unlimited texting plan actually…",{"value":142,"source":54,"evidence":143},"Too slow for day-to-day use, 15 seconds to a minute per page",[144,145],{"id":60,"by":11,"text":61},{"id":146,"by":11,"text":147},"2976835","It's definitely not fast, but it's not quite as bad as you might think. While I was testing it, the whole pipeline, from pressing the \"go\" button to the page being fully rendered…",{"value":149,"source":54,"evidence":150},"No JavaScript, Ajax, streaming or HTTPS support",[151,154],{"id":152,"by":11,"text":153},"2980145","None of those things work right now (and honestly probably never will). This only has very basic HTTP functionality. One of the most annoying ones is when sites have Javascript…",{"id":155,"by":156,"text":157},"2978096","rexreed","How does this work for sites that use Ajax \u002F Javascript that requires server connections? What about streaming audio \u002F video, and how about cross-site stuff? Does all that get…",{"value":159,"source":64,"evidence":160},"Security concern: passwords and sensitive data sent via proxy unencrypted",[161,165],{"id":162,"by":163,"text":164},"2977220","psychotik","Nice. I hope the app has a \"don't send passwords\" warning in there ;) Also, how do you (do you?) handle SSL operations, specially POSTs?",{"id":166,"by":167,"text":168},"2977654","qjz","What User-Agent string are you using? It's a clever hack, but I can't allow my users to access sensitive information via your proxy. It sounds like you might be changing or…",[170,177],{"value":171,"source":64,"evidence":172},"Work with SMS\u002FMMS apps like Texty or DeskSMS",[173],{"id":174,"by":175,"text":176},"2978584","srcasm","Any chance we can get it to work with things like Texty or DeskSMS? It seems that these apps grab the MMS messages and the app never receives the page, I think.",{"value":178,"source":64,"evidence":179},"Expand beyond US and T-Mobile",[180,184],{"id":181,"by":182,"text":183},"2977026","ltamake","Wow, that's actually a really cool idea. When do you guys plan to expand outside the US?",{"id":185,"by":186,"text":187},"2976869","LukeShu","Why is it T-Mobile only?",[189,194,201],{"value":190,"source":64,"evidence":191},"Why is it T-Mobile only",[192,193],{"id":80,"by":81,"text":82},{"id":185,"by":186,"text":187},{"value":195,"source":64,"evidence":196},"Who pays for the MMS responses",[197],{"id":198,"by":199,"text":200},"2977222","bambax","Who pays for the MMS you send back? 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