[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":320},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-30836418":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":27,"sentiment":28,"stance_mix":29,"scored_comments":34,"aspects":35,"strip":42,"post_text":44,"what":45,"said":78,"maker_in_thread":177,"shape":189,"grid":193,"attempts":283,"same_week":284,"maker_shows":233,"maker_hidden":312,"reader_version":313,"card":314},"30836418","Nat.app","Nat.app, personal CRM that knows who you're losing touch with","title","Show HN: Nat.app, personal CRM that knows who you're losing touch with","https:\u002F\u002Fnat.app","nat.app","nathanganser",1648506917,2022,53,39,939,2570,37,"notable","productivity","personal crm","web_app",[21,24,25,26],"relationship management","email calendar","keep in touch","mixed",-0.147,{"positive":30,"neutral":31,"mixed":32,"critical":33},2,9,1,7,19,{"idea":36,"execution":38,"pricing":40,"privacy":41},{"positive":30,"critical":37},3,{"positive":39,"critical":32},0,{"positive":39,"critical":37},{"positive":39,"critical":39},[32,39,37,32,37,37,39,32,39,32,39,39,39,39,39,39,43,43,39,37,39,37,32,32,37,39,32,37,39,39,39,37,39,39,39,37,39,37,39],5,"Hi HN! founder of nat.app here.\n\nI've seen so many people building personal CRMs over the past years. Somehow, they all seemed to fail and die a year or two in.\n\nThe main reason for this in my opinion is that the personal CRM business is a bad business. People sort of want this and will tweet about in from time to time, but only very few people are willing to pay and put in the effort (aka. reaching back out to people), to make it work.\n\nThose very few people are our market and because it's a small market, there is no way to sustain such a business unless you're bootstrapped and working on thi",{"problem":46,"audience":55,"pricing":59,"motivation":67,"time_to_build":74,"stack":75,"openness":76,"stage":77,"team_size":76},{"value":47,"source":48,"evidence":49},"Helps people notice which contacts they are losing touch with","maker",[50,52],{"id":51},"post",{"id":53,"by":11,"text":54},"30844608","Basically. Our algorithm check who you're losing touch with based on your email, calendar, ... data and resurfaces those people for you.",{"value":56,"source":48,"evidence":57},"Google users who communicate mainly by email and log in-person meetings in their calendar",[58],{"id":51},{"value":60,"source":61,"evidence":62},"About $12 per month","commenter",[63],{"id":64,"by":65,"text":66},"30848910","kstrauser","For $12\u002Fmo, it's far into business use for me. I can't see ever paying $144\u002Fyr to remember to text my mom. For business, that might be reasonable. For personal use, no way.",{"value":68,"source":48,"evidence":69},"Labor of love; bootstrapped side project to keep people in touch",[70,71],{"id":51},{"id":72,"by":11,"text":73},"30858000","> For $12\u002Fmo, it's far into business use for me On a tangent, I do think that software businesses undercharge heavily. It works for VC-funded businesses but for bootstrapped…",null,[],"unknown","launched",{"praise":79,"objections":87,"requests":120,"questions":129,"alternatives":147},[80],{"value":81,"source":61,"evidence":82},"Commends focusing on a specific market rather than trying to serve everyone",[83],{"id":84,"by":85,"text":86},"30851924","sundarurfriend","I'm not in your market, but I commend your decision to focus on a specific market and the confidence in sticking to it. The startup environment today, perhaps \"inspired\" by…",[88,99,106,113],{"value":89,"source":61,"evidence":90},"Too narrow: most people don't manage relationships through email and calendar alone",[91,95],{"id":92,"by":93,"text":94},"30848969","gavin_gee","I may have missed it, but this needs to be more than email. for many personal connections I need text, whatsapp, signal integration etc. and now you are in the world of accessing…",{"id":96,"by":97,"text":98},"30849605","bigiain","> Many people do though, that's why we exist :) Are you sure? > Our approach is very specific: We focus on Google users (which is why there is only a Google login) who…",{"value":100,"source":61,"evidence":101},"Too expensive for personal use compared to free reminder apps or OmniFocus",[102,103],{"id":64,"by":65,"text":66},{"id":104,"by":65,"text":105},"30860376","I don't want to downplay what this specific app is doing, and there's obviously some interest in this field. But from my perspective, this (and Dex) are way more expensive per…",{"value":107,"source":61,"evidence":108},"Feels like treating human relationships as a problem to solve",[109],{"id":110,"by":111,"text":112},"30853837","cinntaile","To me this feels like treating human relationships as a problem to solve?",{"value":114,"source":61,"evidence":115},"Privacy concern about giving access to inbox",[116],{"id":117,"by":118,"text":119},"30837595","mlejva","This looks interesting. Can you tell me more why should I believe you to give you access to my inbox?",[121],{"value":122,"source":61,"evidence":123},"Support for text, WhatsApp and Signal messages",[124,125],{"id":92,"by":93,"text":94},{"id":126,"by":127,"text":128},"30849728","testfoobar","I misunderstood your headline. I thought this was for personal social connections - where at least for me - losing touch with some people is a feature not a bug! Anyway - cheers…",[130,141],{"value":131,"source":61,"evidence":132},"Is it for personal or business use?",[133,137],{"id":134,"by":135,"text":136},"30836835","itake","> Personal CRM for relationship building > Stay in touch with the customers that matter to your business Is this for personal or business?",{"id":138,"by":139,"text":140},"30848706","mrtksn","Ha, I was thinking about something like that since my exposure to a traditional CRM. Good luck. However this looks like personal business relationship CRM, right?",{"value":142,"source":61,"evidence":143},"Who is the customer, the individual or the employer?",[144],{"id":145,"by":135,"text":146},"30846431","Dex is doing ok. I'm just confused who the customer is. Would I be paying for this out of my paycheck so I would do my job better? Or would my employer buy this for me to use?",[148,155,162,169,173],{"value":149,"source":61,"evidence":150},"Monica (open source personal CRM)",[151],{"id":152,"by":153,"text":154},"30848716","egeozcan","For a \"more personal\" CRM, I'd suggest Monica: https:\u002F\u002Fwww.monicahq.com\u002F Discussion from 5 years ago: https:\u002F\u002Fnews.ycombinator.com\u002Fitem?id=14497295 Discussion from a year ago:…",{"value":156,"source":61,"evidence":157},"Wobaka",[158],{"id":159,"by":160,"text":161},"30856136","somberi","Not affiliated at all. Wobaka is another option for a personal CRM. We evaluated it. A great product (and Fredrik the owner-developer was a treat to work with), but we passed on…",{"value":163,"source":61,"evidence":164},"Covve",[165],{"id":166,"by":167,"text":168},"30864307","flightplan86","I was using cloze (www.cloze.com) for years, but it started to feel a bit outdated. Moved to Covve (www.covve.com) recently and it's pretty great. It has an ecosystem of features…",{"value":170,"source":61,"evidence":171},"Dex",[172],{"id":145,"by":135,"text":146},{"value":174,"source":61,"evidence":175},"OmniFocus and Apple Reminders",[176],{"id":104,"by":65,"text":105},{"comments":178,"answered":33,"key":179},13,[180,183,186],{"id":181,"text":182},"30848796","Thanks for sharing!",{"id":184,"text":185},"30850049","Thanks for the feedback and comment! 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