[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":920},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-31409077":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":28,"sentiment":29,"stance_mix":30,"scored_comments":35,"aspects":36,"strip":49,"post_text":51,"what":52,"said":103,"maker_in_thread":240,"shape":252,"grid":255,"attempts":882,"same_week":883,"maker_shows":38,"maker_hidden":912,"reader_version":913,"card":914},"31409077","Bike","macOS Native Outliner","title","Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.hogbaysoftware.com\u002Fbike\u002F","hogbaysoftware.com","jessegrosjean",1652788190,2022,513,236,50,2570,2,"legend","productivity","outliner","desktop_app",[21,24,25,26,27],"macos","text editor","opml","fluid editing","mixed",0.142,{"positive":31,"neutral":32,"mixed":33,"critical":34},33,44,6,18,101,{"performance":37,"design":40,"idea":42,"execution":44,"pricing":46,"docs":48},{"positive":38,"critical":39},3,0,{"positive":33,"critical":41},7,{"positive":43,"critical":41},8,{"positive":38,"critical":45},1,{"positive":47,"critical":18},4,{"positive":39,"critical":39},[50,50,45,50,47,39,39,38,50,50,50,38,45,45,45,38,47,47,50,50,45,45,18,39,47,50,38,50,45,38,50,38,50,18,47,38,38,38,47,50],5,"Bike’s most original feature is the “fluid” text editing. Lots of text editors have animated some interactions (cursor movement, insert newline, etc), but I think Bike is the first designed from the ground up to support fluid editing.\n\nGive it a try, it feels different. (movie on home page if you don't have Mac)\n\nOther Features:\n\n• In text mode Bike works like a normal text editor. In outline mode rows are constrained to outline hierarchy.\n\n• .bike file format is HTML subset, so files are easy to parse and manipulate. Bike also supports .opml and .txt.\n\n• Scriptable via AppleScript. Javascript",{"problem":53,"audience":63,"pricing":64,"motivation":73,"time_to_build":63,"stack":79,"openness":100,"stage":101,"team_size":102},{"value":54,"source":55,"evidence":56},"Outliners feel rigid; Bike combines outline structure with free text-editor behaviour","maker",[57,60],{"id":58,"by":11,"text":59},"31410916","I think Bike is more \"tool for thought\" than it is tool for notes. It's more like a text editor with some magic features, then it is like a directory of text files. So value…",{"id":61,"by":11,"text":62},"31410261","Thanks, that's also a pretty key aspect of Bike. Maybe more important than \"fluid animation\", but I expect hyping up the fluid animation will get more clicks and people can…",null,{"value":65,"source":55,"evidence":66},"Direct download one-time license; Mac App Store version is subscription",[67,70],{"id":68,"by":11,"text":69},"31410794","It is available here: https:\u002F\u002Fapps.apple.com\u002Fus\u002Fapp\u002Fbike-outliner\u002Fid1588292384?mt=12 Mac App Store version is subscription based. I know many people don't like that, that's why…",{"id":71,"by":11,"text":72},"31410642","Maybe, I'll have to see how it goes. My main goal is to sell enough copies so I can keep working on it. Last few years I've had to spend a bunch of time contracting. Hoping this…",{"value":74,"source":55,"evidence":75},"Wanted to control its own text editor and use a structured format, since NSTextView and plain text were limiting",[76],{"id":77,"by":11,"text":78},"31409881","I've written about Bike's relationship to TaskPaper here: https:\u002F\u002Fsupport.hogbaysoftware.com\u002Ft\u002Fhow-does-bike-relate-to-taskpaper\u002F4689 I think core summary is: 1. Wanted to…",[80,85,92,96],{"value":81,"source":55,"evidence":82},"Swift",[83],{"id":84},"post",{"value":86,"source":55,"evidence":87},"Core Animation \u002F CALayer",[88,89],{"id":84},{"id":90,"by":11,"text":91},"31411020","Thanks! Bike's editor is pretty much: OutlinerLayer RowLayers LineFragmentLayers I use CoreText to line break and render into each LineFragmentLayer. A whole new level of…",{"value":93,"source":55,"evidence":94},"CoreText",[95],{"id":90,"by":11,"text":91},{"value":97,"source":55,"evidence":98},"Swift Collections OrderedDictionary",[99],{"id":84},"paid","launched","solo",{"praise":104,"objections":128,"requests":161,"questions":196,"alternatives":208},[105,117],{"value":106,"source":107,"evidence":108},"Fluid animations feel polished and delightful","commenter",[109,113],{"id":110,"by":111,"text":112},"31410795","jitl","Congratulations on the release! It’s cool to see more outliners with multi-item text selection. The “fluid” animations look really delightful — I’m jealous! I know you’ve shared…",{"id":114,"by":115,"text":116},"31410267","soapdog","This is a great outliner. I'm quite impressed by how fluid it is. Great work! quick question: why you chose to go with HTML instead of making OPML the default file format? I'm…",{"value":118,"source":107,"evidence":119},"Fast and native, with open file formats and AppleScript support",[120,124],{"id":121,"by":122,"text":123},"31411107","camgunz","In particular I love these features: - \"respects your computer's memory and battery\" - \"uses open file formats\" - \"is scriptable\" Feels like we should also think about these…",{"id":125,"by":126,"text":127},"31410089","ryanianian","This is great. It feels very fast, focused, native, and lightweight like all of HogBay's offerings. Is there any way to change the font? As a developer, non-monospace fonts feel…",[129,140,147,154],{"value":130,"source":107,"evidence":131},"Requires macOS 11, leaving older Macs unsupported",[132,136],{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},"31410713","soci","I've been refraining myself to upgrade to MacOSX 11 in order to not mess with my dev environment. Are you planning to release it for MaxOSX 10.14 or lower?",{"id":137,"by":138,"text":139},"31413375","bsg75","Running the last gen Mac Mini Server which Apple decided to not support past Catalina. As a fan of TaskPaper, this appears to be the point where Apple obsolesce hits me because…",{"value":141,"source":107,"evidence":142},"Animated cursor can make typing feel slower",[143],{"id":144,"by":145,"text":146},"31411522","kall","This is an impressively well stripped down app. It's all I ever wanted from OmniOutliner (remember when it shipped with OS X?). Unfortunately, I've been drawn in by the linking…",{"value":148,"source":107,"evidence":149},"Subscription on the App Store version",[150],{"id":151,"by":152,"text":153},"31410746","Jcowell","Is this available on the App Store ? (Not a super big deal if not. Just like to manage all my subscriptions\u002Fpurchases in one place. So makes updating easier along with the…",{"value":155,"source":107,"evidence":156},"Free alternatives like Obsidian and Logseq exist",[157],{"id":158,"by":159,"text":160},"31409906","smoldesu","Why would I buy this over Obsidian or Logseq, both of which are free and support more platforms?",[162,170,177,187],{"value":163,"source":107,"evidence":164},"Change the underlying font",[165,166],{"id":125,"by":126,"text":127},{"id":167,"by":168,"text":169},"31415092","billrobertson42","A simple font selector would be nice. I have some seriously impaired vision w\u002Fo correction and monospaced fonts really help when I have to look at a screen that way. That and…",{"value":171,"source":107,"evidence":172},"Soft line breaks within a node",[173],{"id":174,"by":175,"text":176},"31416651","coldtea",">Text editing should work as you expect. This is a nice feature of Bike. Often outliner apps constrain text editing in various ways. Bike doesn't do that. So, how do you add a…",{"value":178,"source":107,"evidence":179},"iOS version and sync",[180,183],{"id":181,"by":11,"text":182},"31410109","I think basic iCloud syncing between Macs should already work, just as part of the fact that Bike saves your outlines to some Mac OS file (not database). I know I need to do iOS…",{"id":184,"by":185,"text":186},"31409574","telesilla","If this supported multi-user synchronous editing Google-docs style I'd be thrilled.",{"value":188,"source":55,"evidence":189},"Full-screen mode and navigation bar",[190,193],{"id":191,"by":11,"text":192},"31411719","I made WriteRoom which coined \"Distraction free writing\". Good fullscreen mode for Bike is on my list for sure.",{"id":194,"by":11,"text":195},"31413585","I think yes, but no plans are really set in stone at this point. I agree a navigation bar would help navigation in big outlines.",[197,204],{"value":198,"source":107,"evidence":199},"What the fluid editing actually does and what problem it solves",[200],{"id":201,"by":202,"text":203},"31410888","elcapitan","I watched the movie on the linked website, but I really don't get what \"fluid\" editing is supposed to be and what problem it solves? (I've been using OmniOutliner for years and…",{"value":205,"source":107,"evidence":206},"Whether it supports Windows or older macOS versions",[207],{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},[209,220,225,229,236],{"value":210,"source":107,"evidence":211},"Workflowy",[212,216],{"id":213,"by":214,"text":215},"31411091","twohaibei","I've been using workflowy.com - looks VERY similar.",{"id":217,"by":218,"text":219},"31409839","ilrwbwrkhv","Workflowy and Logseq already provide these features. Am I missing something?",{"value":221,"source":107,"evidence":222},"Logseq",[223,224],{"id":217,"by":218,"text":219},{"id":158,"by":159,"text":160},{"value":226,"source":107,"evidence":227},"OmniOutliner",[228],{"id":144,"by":145,"text":146},{"value":230,"source":107,"evidence":231},"org-mode",[232],{"id":233,"by":234,"text":235},"31412305","mpwoz","Surprised nobody has mentioned org-mode yet. It does everything shown in the video: collapse\u002Fexpand nodes, focus on subtrees, ability to highlight across rows\u002Fnodes, etc. That…",{"value":237,"source":55,"evidence":238},"TaskPaper",[239],{"id":90,"by":11,"text":91},{"comments":32,"answered":241,"key":242},25,[243,246,249],{"id":244,"text":245},"31411876","I think the architecture needed to support them means the total package is less than most apps. For example consider scrolling: In Bike it's fast enough that when you scroll it…",{"id":247,"text":248},"31421377","If anyone digs in and profiles Bike 1.0 you'll unfortunately find that it is wasting some CPU with a timer. This will be fixed soon and is not related to underlying architecture…",{"id":250,"text":251},"31411568","It can feel that way for some people. Seems different per user, there's a preference to change the speed in settings. 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