[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":671},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-31494498":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":29,"sentiment":30,"stance_mix":31,"scored_comments":36,"aspects":37,"strip":50,"post_text":52,"what":53,"said":108,"maker_in_thread":216,"shape":225,"grid":230,"attempts":634,"same_week":635,"maker_shows":39,"maker_hidden":664,"reader_version":665,"card":666},"31494498","Muse","Muse 2.0 with local-first sync","title","Show HN: Muse 2.0 with local-first sync","https:\u002F\u002Fmuseapp.com\u002Fmemos\u002F2022-05-dive-into-big-ideas-with-muse-2.0\u002F","museapp.com","adamwiggins",1653411061,2022,178,153,337,2570,14,"notable","productivity","thinking workspace","desktop_app",[24,25,26,27,28],"whiteboard","local-first sync","crdt","note taking","ipad annotation","mixed",-0.15,{"positive":32,"neutral":33,"mixed":34,"critical":35},12,26,4,29,71,{"design":38,"pricing":40,"idea":42,"execution":44,"docs":46,"privacy":48,"performance":49},{"positive":39,"critical":34},2,{"positive":34,"critical":41},16,{"positive":43,"critical":34},5,{"positive":45,"critical":45},1,{"positive":47,"critical":45},0,{"positive":47,"critical":47},{"positive":47,"critical":47},[51,45,51,34,45,45,34,45,43,51,43,43,51,43,51,51,47,47,51,51,45,34,43,51,51,51,51,45,45,39,45,45,45,45,47,45,45,45,45,45],3,"Hey HN, I want to share with you something I and my four colleagues have been working on for the last several years. It’s a whiteboarding and notes tool called Muse[1]. We just released a 2.0 version which includes local-first sync.\n\nA little backstory: I’m one of the authors of the 2019 essay Local-first software[2]. (Past HN discussions[3][4].) The thesis is to reclaim some of the ownership over our data that we’ve lost in the transition from filesystems to cloud\u002FSaaS. So I’m excited to bring CRDT technology “out of the lab” and into a commercial product as a chance to prove the value of loc",{"problem":54,"audience":63,"pricing":72,"motivation":87,"time_to_build":91,"stack":92,"openness":105,"stage":106,"team_size":107},{"value":55,"source":56,"evidence":57},"Keeping notes, boards and reference material in one place that syncs across devices without cloud lock-in","maker",[58,60],{"id":59},"post",{"id":61,"by":11,"text":62},"31509055","Totally agree on the data lock-out problem. Quoting from https:\u002F\u002Fmuseapp.com\u002Fmemos\u002F2021-06-pricing\u002F > In an ideal world, a software subscription will let you pay just when you’re…",{"value":64,"source":56,"evidence":65},"Creative professionals and thinkers who use desktop, tablet and phone together",[66,69],{"id":67,"by":11,"text":68},"31510312","A core concept is the idea that creative professionals live a multi-device life. Desktop computer for focused productivity, tablet for relaxed reading and thinking, phone for…",{"id":70,"by":11,"text":71},"31515541","Yes, we're curious to see how pure desktop usage evolves. A big part of the whole \"thinking workspace\" concept is the more relaxed posture of tablet use, the ability to scribble…",{"value":73,"source":56,"evidence":74},"Free tier with sync and card limit; about $10\u002Fmonth for membership; lapsed users keep read and export access",[75,78,81,84],{"id":76,"by":11,"text":77},"31509436","You'll be happy to know that Muse is designed to only gate creation of new documents on the membership, not access to anything you've already created. Lapsed memberships go into…",{"id":79,"by":11,"text":80},"31508846","Yeah, pricing is really tough. I've experimented heavily with feature-based pricing, most notably in Heroku, and people absolutely hate it. When you put your best features behind…",{"id":82,"by":11,"text":83},"31509674","Obsidian is great, and they are similarly priced to us ($10\u002Fmo for sync). We felt that local-first sync is a core feature of the product, and to exclude free users from that…",{"id":85,"by":11,"text":86},"31510372","> if I stop paying for sync, I still have my notes and a fully functional product The same is true for Muse. When your membership expires (or you cancel it) the app reverts to…",{"value":88,"source":56,"evidence":89},"Prove local-first software works in real-world commercial use and give users ownership of their data",[90],{"id":59},null,[93,97,101],{"value":94,"source":56,"evidence":95},"Swift",[96],{"id":59},{"value":98,"source":56,"evidence":99},"Go",[100],{"id":59},{"value":102,"source":56,"evidence":103},"CRDT",[104],{"id":59},"freemium","launched","team",{"praise":109,"objections":121,"requests":152,"questions":175,"alternatives":192},[110,117],{"value":111,"source":112,"evidence":113},"Good design and polish appreciated by users","commenter",[114],{"id":115,"by":11,"text":116},"31508298","Thanks Dan! Hope the Mac app is a good addition to your workflows as well.",{"value":118,"source":56,"evidence":119},"Local-first sync and offline use praised as a selling point",[120],{"id":59},[122,132,141],{"value":123,"source":112,"evidence":124},"Subscription pricing is resisted by some users",[125,129],{"id":126,"by":127,"text":128},"31508628","hatware","Exciting to see innovation in the note-taking and brainstorming space. Too bad I've decided that the subscription model has got to go, so I'm not interested in using the 'free'…",{"id":130,"by":11,"text":131},"31508715","Enlighten us! How are people that don't want to pay for software \"their best customers\"? GoodNotes is great, hope they can make the one-off payment model sustainable. But the…",{"value":133,"source":112,"evidence":134},"iPad and iPhone apps are limited, Mac app alone is limited",[135,138],{"id":136,"by":11,"text":137},"31515523","Thanks for the review. Agree with most of your points here, briefly: iPhone app is just capture right now, intended for \"I just had this thought that I need to muse on later.\" We…",{"id":139,"by":11,"text":140},"31515467","Much appreciated. Sharing the journey is a big part of what has made this project fulfilling. As another commenter pointing out, the Mac app alone is somewhat limited without the…",{"value":142,"source":112,"evidence":143},"Apple lock-in and tablet hardware dependence",[144,148],{"id":145,"by":146,"text":147},"31509519","rchaud","Very cool website, I can appreciate the effort that went into describing the features. I've been using Markdown-based tools for thought like Logseq and ObsidianMD, but have run…",{"id":149,"by":150,"text":151},"31512672","dgreensp","I skimmed the article, but what makes Android not sufficient to interact with Muse? I haven’t tried Muse, but I’ve thought plenty about building a local-first notebook app for…",[153,160,166],{"value":154,"source":112,"evidence":155},"Free or cheaper alternatives",[156],{"id":157,"by":158,"text":159},"31508029","sydthrowaway","Any free alternatives?",{"value":161,"source":112,"evidence":162},"Self-hosted sync service",[163],{"id":164,"by":11,"text":165},"31510893","Evernote is a good example of software that I think had a lot of promise but has decayed in quality and performance over time. No self-hosted sync service at the moment. At the…",{"value":167,"source":112,"evidence":168},"Better inking and smoothing",[169,172],{"id":170,"by":11,"text":171},"31511319","I'm a big believer in tools that make us feel good about our work. Pretty handwriting as an output is in that category. You'd be surprised how much engineering goes into point…",{"id":173,"by":11,"text":174},"31517062","Changing while you write sounds surprising. All ink engines have some amount of retroactive smoothing going on, but typically (and this is the same for Muse) it should only be…",[176,182],{"value":177,"source":112,"evidence":178},"Whether data can be kept in version control or exported",[179],{"id":180,"by":11,"text":181},"31508440","It's freemium rather than a trial, so you can use it for free for as long as you want. (Assuming I'm understanding your request there.) It does export a Muse bundle which is a…",{"value":183,"source":112,"evidence":184},"Whether the app keeps working if the company shuts down",[185,189],{"id":186,"by":187,"text":188},"31517274","skinnymuch","If Muse disappears tomorrow. Servers shut down and all. Would access to notes still work? I am not actually in fear of something happening that suddenly. I defended the general…",{"id":190,"by":11,"text":191},"31517451","In that case you'd still have full access to your documents. In keeping with local-first values the complete and canonical dataset resides on your devices (Macs\u002FiPads). Sync…",[193,199,206,212],{"value":194,"source":112,"evidence":195},"GoodNotes",[196],{"id":197,"by":11,"text":198},"31508153","GoodNotes is great! More of a digital sketchbook (and better than Muse if you're focused purely on the inking\u002Fsketching part of things). On paying for software, here's some…",{"value":200,"source":56,"evidence":201},"Obsidian",[202,205],{"id":203,"by":11,"text":204},"31509623","Yeah, truly an unsolved problem. Obsidian seems to have found a good path--free for the core product, $10\u002Fmo (standard price for prosumer apps) for sync. 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