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This is saving early customers over 50% in some cases. Upon opting into Autopilot, if your on-demand EC2 costs increase, Vantage purchases 3 year, no-upfront reserved instances. In the event your compute spend decreases, Autopilot will list your reserved instances for sale in the AWS EC2 Reserved Instance marketplace on your beha",{"problem":49,"audience":55,"pricing":64,"motivation":71,"time_to_build":78,"stack":79,"openness":80,"stage":81,"team_size":82},{"value":50,"source":51,"evidence":52},"High on-demand AWS EC2 costs from unused or poorly committed capacity","maker",[53],{"id":54},"post",{"value":56,"source":57,"evidence":58},"AWS customers paying significant EC2 bills","inferred",[59,60],{"id":54},{"id":61,"by":62,"text":63},"31495313","anonymouse008","How is this allowed by AWS? This feels very counter intuitive to Bezo's mantra, 'your margin is my opportunity.'",{"value":65,"source":51,"evidence":66},"Charges 5% of savings found",[67,68],{"id":54},{"id":69,"by":11,"text":70},"31495241","There are a number of providers in this space. You're correct that for this specific feature, the main difference is the cost to the customer. Usage publicly states that they…",{"value":72,"source":51,"evidence":73},"Align with customers by charging a low fee on savings",[74,75],{"id":69,"by":11,"text":70},{"id":76,"by":11,"text":77},"31495967","I believe Autopilot is competitive with Spot's \"Eco\" product. From what we've heard, Spot by NetApp charges somewhere between 20% and 30% of the savings found. Vantage Autopilot…",null,[],"paid","launched","company",{"praise":84,"objections":102,"requests":125,"questions":144,"alternatives":162},[85,91],{"value":86,"source":87,"evidence":88},"Low 5% fee compared with competitors' 20-30%","commenter",[89,90],{"id":69,"by":11,"text":70},{"id":76,"by":11,"text":77},{"value":92,"source":87,"evidence":93},"Useful value for cloud credit users",[94,98],{"id":95,"by":96,"text":97},"31494853","yaseer","This is really cool! If you do what you say you do, this is a lot of value to be had relative to the costs. We're coming to the end of our cloud credits and I was thinking about…",{"id":99,"by":100,"text":101},"31496573","wmf","Not really; if Vantage works as advertised it's basically free money and it should be multiplicative with any savings due to app changes.",[103,118],{"value":104,"source":87,"evidence":105},"Risk of over-commitment and unsellable RIs in marketplace",[106,110,114],{"id":107,"by":108,"text":109},"31495173","candiddevmike","An off by one error by vantage makes your company purchase hundreds of not needed 3 year commitments",{"id":111,"by":112,"text":113},"31495231","meatmanek","If it misbehaves and buys too many \u002F the wrong kind of RIs, you will be locked in to a high monthly AWS bill until you can sell the RIs on the AWS RI marketplace, which has a…",{"id":115,"by":116,"text":117},"31495387","bonetruck","It could purchase numerous RI's and then find there's no market for selling them.",{"value":119,"source":87,"evidence":120},"Billing charged despite free trial sign-up",[121],{"id":122,"by":123,"text":124},"31495451","atonse","I signed up, it told me I had to upgrade to Pro, and there was a 14 day trial. I signed up for the trial, provided my CC, and it still charged me $30. Not a huge deal, but can…",[126,137],{"value":127,"source":87,"evidence":128},"Support for GCP",[129,133],{"id":130,"by":131,"text":132},"31495045","marban","Can someone do this for GCP?",{"id":134,"by":135,"text":136},"31495321","epberry","Developer advocate at Vantage here. Using their committed use discount mechanism is definitely on our radar. We just rolled out Google Cloud support earlier this year…",{"value":138,"source":87,"evidence":139},"Support for other AWS services beyond EC2",[140],{"id":141,"by":142,"text":143},"31507330","myroon5","Noticed all these recommended permissions in that doc page: ``` \"ec2:PurchaseReservedInstancesOffering\", \"rds:PurchaseReservedDBInstancesOffering\",…",[145,156],{"value":146,"source":87,"evidence":147},"How the RI marketplace liquidity and unsold risk are handled",[148,152],{"id":149,"by":150,"text":151},"31495216","jabo","This looks very interesting! Given that you're purchasing 3-year RIs and then selling them on the marketplace, do you have stats on the risk of a listing not being purchased by…",{"id":153,"by":154,"text":155},"31497358","Jimmy246","Interesting project! As for the market, do you guarantee a buyer? Also, what's the difference between Vantage selling our overprovisioned RIs vs us listing it to the marketplace…",{"value":157,"source":87,"evidence":158},"Whether it works across AWS organizations",[159],{"id":160,"by":142,"text":161},"31507490","Since reserved instances are shared across AWS organizations: https:\u002F\u002Fdocs.aws.amazon.com\u002Fawsaccountbilling\u002Flatest\u002Faboutv2\u002Fri-behavior.html Does this work across AWS…",[163,170,177],{"value":164,"source":87,"evidence":165},"usage.ai",[166],{"id":167,"by":168,"text":169},"31495172","tehalex","Seems like a clone of https:\u002F\u002Fwww.usage.ai which has been on the frontpage a few times recently, but just undercutting the finders fee - I guess that's the \"other providers that…",{"value":171,"source":87,"evidence":172},"Spot.io (Spot by NetApp) Eco",[173],{"id":174,"by":175,"text":176},"31495871","shmatt","Is there a difference between your service and SpotInst aka Spot.io? Do you claim to have a better algorithm? It would be interesting to load the same app with both companies and…",{"value":178,"source":87,"evidence":179},"CAST AI",[180],{"id":181,"by":182,"text":183},"31506109","BlackPlot","You could also try CAST AI - savings report is free so you don't need to sign any contract to see how much you could save. For some users ie we've saved 90% - $124k\u002Fmo cloud…",{"comments":185,"answered":186,"key":187},9,7,[188,189,192],{"id":69,"text":70},{"id":190,"text":191},"31495552","Ultimately we are just leveraging the primitives provided by AWS to make this happen. Reserved Instances and Savings Plans help AWS (which is why they offer a discount for them)…",{"id":193,"text":194},"31495702","Can you please email support [at] vantage [dot] sh? We'll see what could have happened here and will definitely refund. 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