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Private self hosting but made easy for the people (like me) who don't want to spend hours setting it all up and keeping it up to date! Also the design looks amazing,…",{"id":61,"by":62,"text":63},"31660753","nfgrep","After wrestling with TrueNAS for months, this looks pretty good. I also really, reaally like the initiative to make self-hosting accessible.",{"value":65,"source":66,"evidence":67},"Consumers who want to self-host without setting up servers manually","maker",[68],{"id":69,"by":11,"text":70},"31660050","Thanks for the insightful reply. Everything you said makes total sense. Re noncommercial organizations being permitted users, this was a conscious decision on our part. We're…",{"value":72,"source":66,"evidence":73},"Originally a way to easily host a Bitcoin node, now a general self-hosting OS",[74],{"id":75,"by":11,"text":76},"31661601","Thanks for the taking the time to try Umbrel out, great observations! 1. Re crypto apps, I figured some additional context may help. Before our today's release, Umbrel was a…",[78,84,88],{"value":79,"source":54,"evidence":80},"JavaScript",[81],{"id":82,"by":58,"text":83},"31660644","Looks great on first look, but on closer inspection saw that it's written in pure JavaScript (0% TypeScript) + Bash. Honestly makes me a bit worried about security. Now, I'm not…",{"value":85,"source":54,"evidence":86},"Bash",[87],{"id":82,"by":58,"text":83},{"value":89,"source":54,"evidence":90},"Docker",[91],{"id":92,"by":93,"text":94},"31660562","GekkePrutser","I see it offers home assistant. I wonder if you can also use the addon functionality in that as it's based on docker containers.. I assume umbrel uses docker too so it might…","unknown","launched",{"praise":98,"objections":122,"requests":171,"questions":203,"alternatives":225},[99,104,112],{"value":100,"source":54,"evidence":101},"Easy self-hosting for non-experts",[102,103],{"id":57,"by":58,"text":59},{"id":61,"by":62,"text":63},{"value":105,"source":54,"evidence":106},"Clean design and landing page",[107,111],{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},"31662585","Xeoncross","I really enjoyed the landing page. I don't usually enjoy eye candy and loud designs, but this one works fine. Lots of visuals and lots of questions answered in direct ways. Great…",{"id":57,"by":58,"text":59},{"value":113,"source":54,"evidence":114},"Developer app store documentation and tooling",[115,119],{"id":116,"by":117,"text":118},"31661642","pbronez","#5 is very interesting to me. I use (and paid for!) Unraid. It’s generally quite good. Their Community Apps plug-in scratches the same itch as the Umbrel App Store. 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That's a hard \"no\".",{"id":139,"by":140,"text":141},"31673067","floatinglotus","With all the associations with crypto and forcing you to run a TOR\u002Flightning node, I’ll stick with Portainer.",{"value":143,"source":54,"evidence":144},"Closed source or license concerns",[145,149],{"id":146,"by":147,"text":148},"31658745","ensignavenger","If some one is going through the trouble of self hosting, why would they want to use a closed source proprietary OS to do it? Most of the apps available for this are open source,…",{"id":150,"by":147,"text":151},"31658705","It defintely needs some documentation! It is closed source proprietary software, so that is one major difference.",{"value":153,"source":54,"evidence":154},"Tor access on by default",[155,159],{"id":156,"by":157,"text":158},"31660973","eightysixfour","In the middle of building a self-hosting setup at home so I went ahead and installed this to give it a trial run. I generally like the interface and think it is a nice take on…",{"id":160,"by":161,"text":162},"31662484","adastra22","You should add an ability to turn off tor access if you don’t currently have it for sure. But why make it opt-in?",{"value":164,"source":54,"evidence":165},"Missing popular apps like Plex and Jellyfin",[166,167],{"id":156,"by":157,"text":158},{"id":168,"by":169,"text":170},"31661290","declon","> Plex and\u002For jellyfin stand out as huge misses right out of the gate.",[172,180,185,196],{"value":173,"source":54,"evidence":174},"Make Tor remote access opt-in or disable-able",[175,176],{"id":160,"by":161,"text":162},{"id":177,"by":178,"text":179},"31663099","MacsHeadroom","Please keep Tor access opt-out! Encouraging usage of privacy enabling services by default is good.",{"value":181,"source":54,"evidence":182},"Support custom docker-compose apps from the UI",[183,184],{"id":120,"by":117,"text":121},{"id":156,"by":157,"text":158},{"value":186,"source":54,"evidence":187},"Backup support",[188,192],{"id":189,"by":190,"text":191},"31660834","leodriesch","What does the backup experience look like? I feel like that is a major difficulty for people looking to self host, at least for me. I would not want to lose my pictures, contacts…",{"id":193,"by":194,"text":195},"31664047","627467","This update showed up as soon as my 10 days old install sync with the BTC Blockchain: congrats! I'm looking forward to some backup service - ideally one I can also self host…",{"value":197,"source":54,"evidence":198},"Simpler text-based app directory instead of animated landing page",[199],{"id":200,"by":201,"text":202},"31660426","PontifexMinimus","This is a service I'm interested in, but by fuck is their website annoying. Instead of having stupid moving rectangles of services you can run on Umbrel, why not just display…",[204,211,218],{"value":205,"source":54,"evidence":206},"How does it compare to Sandstorm, Yunohost and Cloudron?",[207],{"id":208,"by":209,"text":210},"31658481","anderspitman","How does it compare to Sandstorm, yunohost, and Cloudron?",{"value":212,"source":54,"evidence":213},"Is security updating automatic and how fast?",[214],{"id":215,"by":216,"text":217},"31658377","melony","Looks good, I have some questions. Are security updates and DevOps automatic? How fine grained are the security updates i.e. Kernel level or app level? 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If something goes…",{"value":242,"source":54,"evidence":243},"Cloudron, Yunohost, Sandstorm, Freedombox",[244,248],{"id":245,"by":246,"text":247},"31679164","southerntofu","> Which ones do you have in mind? Would you count ChromeOS as one of those, too? A few i had in mind (from my bookmarks): Cloudron, Sandstorm, HomelabOS, libre.sh, UBOS, Unraid,…",{"id":249,"by":250,"text":251},"31663715","holri","There is also https:\u002F\u002Ffreedombox.org\u002F . A pure Debian Blend and also available as appliance. (Olimex A20 SBC)",{"value":253,"source":54,"evidence":254},"TrueNAS",[255],{"id":61,"by":62,"text":63},{"comments":49,"answered":40,"key":257},[258,259,262],{"id":75,"text":76},{"id":260,"text":261},"31660433","I agree, that's my least favorite part of the site as well. 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