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During this time, I've worked in finance, sales, and software -- and everywhere I went, most people didn't write effectively, even when their job depended on it!\n\nLearning how to become a better writer is generally not fun...books, lectures, and videos are passive and boring and tedious. Getting feedback from real people is generally most effective, but difficult and time-consuming.\n\nBrevity 500 is my attempt at creating a learning experience that is active, engaging, and NOT tedious. 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Paying users can get real human feedback whenever they like.",{"id":71,"by":11,"text":72},"31925470","Sometimes I break grammar rules for effect...in that case, I like the rhythm of the single-syllable words \"write well and write fast\" better than \"write well and write quickly\".…",{"value":74,"source":53,"evidence":75},"Years of experience teaching writing and seeing most people write poorly at work",[76],{"id":56},null,[],"unknown","launched","solo",{"praise":83,"objections":111,"requests":157,"questions":184,"alternatives":194},[84,100],{"value":85,"source":86,"evidence":87},"Interesting, fun concept for learning writing","commenter",[88,92,96],{"id":89,"by":90,"text":91},"31924683","reifyx","I think both the idea and execution are great. These games would be useful even just as problem statements. I like that each problem clearly defines the desired tone and goals,…",{"id":93,"by":94,"text":95},"31924582","infogulch","Fun project, thanks for sharing!",{"id":97,"by":98,"text":99},"31925370","hammerbrostime","Fun! Unfortunately, this leans into the fact that I tend to be brief-to-a--fault.",{"value":101,"source":86,"evidence":102},"Games are a good way to practise brevity",[103,107],{"id":104,"by":105,"text":106},"31927781","loxias","0. Congrats on shipping. 1. This is really cool. Also scary. I think I might be the target market for this, I've long known that communication is my greatest professional…",{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},"31923546","csallen","Cool! I love educational games and think they should be created more often. Small bit of feedback that might be helpful: set a max width for your website. 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It's not clear at first that all…",{"id":89,"by":90,"text":91},{"value":132,"source":86,"evidence":133},"Brevity is not the same as quality",[134],{"id":135,"by":136,"text":137},"31922760","Peritract","I don't agree with equating brevity and quality. There's a definite trend in marketing\u002Fbusiness communication to cut everything down to the bare bones and call that quality. At…",{"value":139,"source":86,"evidence":140},"Required terms are hidden behind an info button and are hard to find",[141,145,146],{"id":142,"by":143,"text":144},"31924236","UmYeahNo","Calling these exercises \"Games\" is a stretch. Also: Extra points if your good at memorizing a list of arbitrary words that must be included, and you're a good touch typist. In…",{"id":116,"by":117,"text":118},{"id":147,"by":148,"text":149},"31924769","thimkerbell","Mobile phone offers noplace to edit the original text. 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