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But its possible to decrypted by anyone since there is no password https:\u002F\u002Fneatnik.net\u002Fsteganographr\u002F",{"value":99,"source":76,"evidence":100},"Small user base means messages get lost; large adoption invites a ban",[101],{"id":102,"by":103,"text":104},"32145822","derekzhouzhen","It is a noble effort, but you still have the same dilemma: * if only few people is using it, then the messages will be lost * if somehow this gain popularity, then the authority…",{"value":106,"source":76,"evidence":107},"Single-word passwords are brute-forceable",[108],{"id":109,"by":110,"text":111},"32144762","upofadown",">Hina protects your images posted online or sent to others by encrypting them with a password... Like just a single word? Why wouldn't that be trivially brute forceable? Since…",{"value":113,"source":47,"evidence":114},"Apple App Store removal risk in China",[115],{"id":50},[117,121],{"value":118,"source":76,"evidence":119},"Use a public key system instead of passwords",[120],{"id":109,"by":110,"text":111},{"value":122,"source":76,"evidence":123},"Make it work on mobile and as a browser extension",[124,127],{"id":125,"by":84,"text":126},"32143064","Ordinary people can use browser extensions OK on desktop, but on mobile it's a mess. Chrome for Android doesn't support extensions, and no one uses the Android browsers that do.…",{"id":128,"by":11,"text":129},"32142676","Yes! I'm right now creating a steganography scheme with an NLP model. We've actually tried implementing a browser extension before. The problem is ordinary people just don't use…",[131],{"value":132,"source":76,"evidence":133},"How to get users to adopt it when they are already on WeChat",[134,137],{"id":135,"by":11,"text":136},"32142345","Thanks for your advice! 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