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However, the most significant difference is that we aim not only for developers but also…",{"id":68,"by":11,"text":69},"34520800","Yes, we plan to sell enterprise licenses, but we also have other services, like prioritizing the integrations, as you suggested. The integrations prioritized will be available to…",{"value":71,"source":50,"evidence":72},"Offer a self-hosted alternative to Zapier for data-sensitive businesses",[73],{"id":53},null,[76],{"value":77,"source":78,"evidence":79},"TypeScript","commenter",[80],{"id":81,"by":82,"text":83},"34524284","sneak","License: AGPL-3 Language: Typescript Code: https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Fautomatisch\u002Fautomatisch","open_source","beta","team",{"praise":88,"objections":104,"requests":131,"questions":156,"alternatives":180},[89,100],{"value":90,"source":78,"evidence":91},"Good idea for self-hosting and data control",[92,96],{"id":93,"by":94,"text":95},"34522667","m00dy","Well, good news first of all. I feel not really ok with zapper’s closed circle",{"id":97,"by":98,"text":99},"34521909","hgomersall","This looks great. I really want a way to plug in to (in my case) Xero, and do some automation. I'm perfectly happy writing code but it seems painfully complicated to do all the…",{"value":101,"source":78,"evidence":102},"Developer experience for building integrations praised by maker's approach",[103],{"id":97,"by":98,"text":99},[105,120,124],{"value":106,"source":78,"evidence":107},"Missing imprint and data protection policy on the website",[108,112,116],{"id":109,"by":110,"text":111},"34526033","Eduard","First thing I do when evaluating products: checking their imprint and data policy. I didn't find them. You guys are https:\u002F\u002Fautomat.berlin\u002Fcontact\u002F , right? A GmbH. For…",{"id":113,"by":114,"text":115},"34529437","lytefm","If it's obvious that the product won't get approved by risk management due do missing essential policies, I won't even take a glance at the actual product. Automatisch would be…",{"id":117,"by":118,"text":119},"34528630","uniqueuid","Because for many people, proper data handling is a hard requirement without which a product is useless. In addition, not having an imprint is actually in breach of German law —…",{"value":121,"source":50,"evidence":122},"Limited number of integrations",[123],{"id":53},{"value":125,"source":78,"evidence":126},"AGPL license is not fully free for some users",[127],{"id":128,"by":129,"text":130},"34526710","benatkin","Is technically open source the best kind of open source? 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Grüße von Hamburg!",{"value":173,"source":78,"evidence":174},"How business model and license work",[175,176],{"id":153,"by":154,"text":155},{"id":177,"by":178,"text":179},"34527492","pabs3","How does the license factor into your business model? Sounds like you are going for an open core model where the enterprise feature set is implemented by separate proprietary…",[181,189,196,200,207],{"value":182,"source":78,"evidence":183},"n8n",[184,188],{"id":185,"by":186,"text":187},"34520335","bberenberg","I currently use n8n, but always great to see more alternatives in this space. One thing that has surprised me is that no one has tried to standardize on the Zapier or IFTTT APIs…",{"id":161,"by":162,"text":163},{"value":190,"source":78,"evidence":191},"Zapier",[192],{"id":193,"by":194,"text":195},"34520931","toomuchtodo","What do you believe your biggest challenges to adoption are? 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