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Is it GPT?",{"id":74,"by":75,"text":76},"34906903","ianbicking","Very interesting! I'm giving it a try now, a few thoughts: 1. The default \"Node 1\" etc titles on cards is unfortunate. I feel like I want to fix it, but I don't think there's…","unknown","beta","team",{"praise":81,"objections":95,"requests":122,"questions":145,"alternatives":162},[82],{"value":83,"source":84,"evidence":85},"Interesting graph-based approach to long-context memory","commenter",[86,90,94],{"id":87,"by":88,"text":89},"34902472","Mizza","I am glad to see more stuff with graph based AI here. I have a running bet with a friend about whether future is going to be OBM (One Big Model) or LoLM (Lots of Little Models).…",{"id":91,"by":92,"text":93},"34905232","cardine","This is a very cool idea. We are doing something similar except we are also predicting the nodes. In the end, the winning combination will likely be doing both. There will be a…",{"id":74,"by":75,"text":76},[96,107,114],{"value":97,"source":84,"evidence":98},"Use case for AI-written novels is questioned",[99,103],{"id":100,"by":101,"text":102},"34904249","nicolas_17","What exactly is the use case for \"longform writing by AI\"? Profiting from mass-produced zero-effort novels?",{"id":104,"by":105,"text":106},"34904950","aprinsen","Why would we want an AI that writes novels though? Is this a \"to see if we can\" thing? Let's say this or some future AI system writes better novels than any human author at a…",{"value":108,"source":84,"evidence":109},"Summaries lose detail and do not give true long-term memory",[110],{"id":111,"by":112,"text":113},"34905717","YeGoblynQueenne","I don't understand exactly how that would work. At some point, the generation would introduce new events and characters, new places or objects, and name them, but then when…",{"value":115,"source":84,"evidence":116},"Generated text can be garbled and go off track",[117,121],{"id":118,"by":119,"text":120},"34910529","RugnirViking","This has some potential. However the AI really has a tendancy to want to make a complete story at each step. I was using the default prompt about finding a treasure map and going…",{"id":74,"by":75,"text":76},[123,130,138],{"value":124,"source":84,"evidence":125},"Add examples to show what can be achieved",[126],{"id":127,"by":128,"text":129},"34907942","pragmatick","I think this would benefit from an example. When I open the page for the first time I'd like to see the option not to just see the instructions on how to achieve something but…",{"value":131,"source":84,"evidence":132},"Clearer UI and workflow documentation",[133,134],{"id":74,"by":75,"text":76},{"id":135,"by":136,"text":137},"34904951","davidthewatson","I'm excited to give this a try. Long story short, I worked through a series of concepts with a designer friend last year using GPT-3 with a similar target: longform. Our approach…",{"value":139,"source":84,"evidence":140},"Support voice\u002Fstyle from sample chapters",[141],{"id":142,"by":143,"text":144},"34904583","evo_9","Looks great, and def something I would try. What's the story on the waitlist, how soon do you anticipate granting accounts? I have two novels I'm working on, both have very…",[146,154,158],{"value":147,"source":84,"evidence":148},"How does the memory actually work beyond summaries?",[149,153],{"id":150,"by":151,"text":152},"34903587","howon92","Congrats on the launch! I'm not your target market but am curious to learn how this gives AI \"unlimited\" memory. Whenever I try to use GPT-3 API, I'm blocked by the token limit…",{"id":111,"by":112,"text":113},{"value":155,"source":84,"evidence":156},"Which LLM is used?",[157],{"id":70,"by":71,"text":72},{"value":159,"source":84,"evidence":160},"When will the waitlist grant access?",[161],{"id":142,"by":143,"text":144},[163,170],{"value":164,"source":84,"evidence":165},"Sudowrite and verb.ai",[166],{"id":167,"by":168,"text":169},"34905068","aiappreciator","As I said: \"that AI will also master therapy, sales, supervising children, customer service etc, as it now has an strong understanding of human behaviour.\" Novel writing is like…",{"value":171,"source":84,"evidence":172},"Outliner tools like MORE",[173],{"id":174,"by":175,"text":176},"34906591","nl","This seems to be an attempt at knowledge engineering by another name. It's unclear to me why this version is better than any other the many other outliner-type writing tools that…",{"comments":178,"answered":34,"key":179},4,[180,183,186],{"id":181,"text":182},"34903496","Yeah I feel like for development, OBM is great and super flexible. But when you actually want to deploy, a lot of tiny, more efficient models would probably be the best bet. I…",{"id":184,"text":185},"34905088","Hey! For the waitlist, cross my fingers, we'll have something in a week or so. Worst case, it'll be within the next month. If you're fine with the current capabilities, the text…",{"id":187,"text":188},"34905182","Regarding the training data, thanks so much! 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