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I am excited to share my recently upgraded website, DebateDevil (https:\u002F\u002Fdebate-devil.com), an AI chat platform designed to help users practice debates, challenge their ideas, and expand their thinking. I created this site to provide a more objective opinion and help users consider their hypotheses from multiple perspectives.\n\nexample discussin:\n```\nAI: The time has come to test your hypothesis and beliefs. I will argue against any topic. What do you want to debate?\nYou: AI will take away most jobs from humans.\n\nAI: I understand your concern about AI taking away jobs from huma",{"problem":49,"audience":55,"pricing":55,"motivation":56,"time_to_build":55,"stack":60,"openness":61,"stage":62,"team_size":61},{"value":50,"source":51,"evidence":52},"Helps users practice debates, challenge ideas and consider hypotheses from multiple perspectives","maker",[53],{"id":54},"post",null,{"value":57,"source":51,"evidence":58},"Wanted to provide a more objective opinion and help users consider hypotheses from multiple perspectives",[59],{"id":54},[],"unknown","launched",{"praise":64,"objections":88,"requests":150,"questions":174,"alternatives":183},[65,81],{"value":66,"source":67,"evidence":68},"Good idea for rubberducking and practicing arguments","commenter",[69,73,77],{"id":70,"by":71,"text":72},"35569173","collinvandyck76","This seems like a very useful way to rubberduck ideas that are not yet well formed. I like it! Are there limits to a conversation? The input prompt disappeared in the middle of…",{"id":74,"by":75,"text":76},"35572556","jfengel","I think this is genius. Thank you. This is the best use I've ever heard of for an LLM. Online \"debates\" are always abysmal. People talking past each other, repeating arguments…",{"id":78,"by":79,"text":80},"35572653","turmeric_root","this seems like it might be useful for arguing on HN",{"value":82,"source":67,"evidence":83},"Clean, no-login user experience",[84],{"id":85,"by":86,"text":87},"35571211","user00012-ab","Setting the actual product aside for a moment, I must commend this as one of the most outstanding demonstrations I have encountered on Hacker News in recent memory. The seamless…",[89,108,124,135,143],{"value":90,"source":67,"evidence":91},"AI judge declares winner inconsistently or favors the AI regardless of argument quality",[92,96,100,104],{"id":93,"by":94,"text":95},"35569657","Brendinooo","1. I have a character limit, it doesn't 2. It throws multiple arguments at you 3. Then it stops the debate after a certain point 4. It repeats its arguments 5. then the AI judge…",{"id":97,"by":98,"text":99},"35569331","aerhardt","The AI ended up conceding my initial position word for word, and yet the AI judge said the AI won.",{"id":101,"by":102,"text":103},"35569784","boringuser2","Fairly terrible. I asked the AI to defend Nazism (I said it was bad), it refused to do so, \"agreed\" with me that Nazism is bad, then, when I pointed out that this means I won the…",{"id":105,"by":106,"text":107},"35569446","numbers_guy","Very neat idea. However the debate I tried was farcically bad. The bot just provided \"facts\" that go counter to any statistics on the matter. Then the \"AI judge\" ruled the bot to…",{"value":109,"source":67,"evidence":110},"Arguments are shallow, repetitive or factually wrong",[111,115,119,120],{"id":112,"by":113,"text":114},"35569208","danpalmer","It just spouts fake news and propaganda, and then seems to get stuck in a loop when its challenged in a way it can't respond to.",{"id":116,"by":117,"text":118},"35570141","Chris2048","It isn't great. I argued \"the sun is hot\" - lots of ways to argue against this, but it got stuck on basically repeating \"that might not be the case\" followed by statements that…",{"id":105,"by":106,"text":107},{"id":121,"by":122,"text":123},"35569897","SillyUsername","The AI's core tenet to my assertion \"Python is an awful language for beginners\" (due to whitespace formatting and having a non transparent \"this\"-self- having to manually be…",{"value":125,"source":67,"evidence":126},"Character limit for user is much lower than the AI's",[127,131],{"id":128,"by":129,"text":130},"35569525","calderknight","The AI writes many paragraphs but I am limited to just a tiny response. That is frustrating.",{"id":132,"by":133,"text":134},"35570818","virgildotcodes","The character limit for the user being dramatically lower than the AI’s limit is really annoying, otherwise I had fun with this!",{"value":136,"source":67,"evidence":137},"Stays within guardrails and doesn't argue all sides",[138,142],{"id":139,"by":140,"text":141},"35569260","mrjbq7","It won’t actually argue all sides of an issue. Take any controversial one, and it stays inside its guardrails no matter which opinion you want it to counter.",{"id":101,"by":102,"text":103},{"value":144,"source":67,"evidence":145},"Name 'Devil' is an odd choice",[146],{"id":147,"by":148,"text":149},"35569915","user3939382","I wouldn't use a product called \"devil\". Like why take a concept that's evil incarnate and associate it with your product when there's a million other names to choose from.",[151,162,169],{"value":152,"source":67,"evidence":153},"Ability to share conversation transcripts without an account",[154,158],{"id":155,"by":156,"text":157},"35569933","rain1","Is there a way to share my transcript?",{"id":159,"by":160,"text":161},"35569308","sunnysidedown","Very cool! I asked \"Is there a God?\" on Devil's advocate mode and won! Prompt: Is there a God? To begin, the AI asked me what my thoughts on the existence of God were: My…",{"value":163,"source":67,"evidence":164},"Persona that uses logical fallacies for practice",[165],{"id":166,"by":167,"text":168},"35570032","minimally","I gave this a try and it’s really pretty cool. Something I am looking for is the ability to have a debate with someone who purely uses logical fallacies. 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