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An open source identity service that can be an alternative to similar commercial ones like Okta, Auth0.",{"id":60,"by":61,"text":62},"35629397","aeneas_ory","Founder \u002F project creator here. Ory Kratos has been in development since 2018 and is approaching version 1.0! If you have any questions about the project, tech, flows, or Ory as…",{"value":64,"source":53,"evidence":65},"Developers and teams needing an auth service.",[66,70],{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},"35631363","breadchris","I can’t believe that people use closed source auth solutions. As a security engineer, I am so thankful that Ory exists. If you can’t run your auth stack locally, your engineers…",{"id":71,"by":72,"text":73},"35630064","2mol","A while ago my team needed exactly this kind of auth solution, so the eng team reached out to Ory to clarify some technical questions that weren't covered by the docs. 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We've been using it successfully at my company (self hosted) for the past ~2 years and it's been fantastic.",{"value":103,"source":76,"evidence":104},"Open source auth lets engineers run the stack locally and debug issues.",[105],{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},{"value":107,"source":76,"evidence":108},"Slack community and engineer support were helpful.",[109,113],{"id":110,"by":111,"text":112},"35631065","davidspiess","Can't share that experience. We are in the process of migrating from Azure B2C to ORY Network and had also some initial doubts if their products are a good fit for our enterprise…",{"id":114,"by":115,"text":116},"35633200","lykahb","Their Slack workspace is quite helpful",[118,129,139,143],{"value":119,"source":76,"evidence":120},"Documentation is confusing and hard to integrate.",[121,125],{"id":122,"by":123,"text":124},"35635432","alphabetatheta","Why are people still using Ory Kratos? It's still incredibly confusing documentation. 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