[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":543},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-35713852":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":27,"sentiment":28,"stance_mix":29,"scored_comments":34,"aspects":35,"strip":43,"post_text":46,"what":47,"said":70,"maker_in_thread":209,"shape":222,"grid":227,"attempts":505,"same_week":506,"maker_shows":32,"maker_hidden":536,"reader_version":537,"card":538},"35713852","Webbu German short stories","Learn German with Short Stories","title","Show HN: Learn German with Short Stories","https:\u002F\u002Fwebbu.app\u002Fgerman","webbu.app","fersarr",1682517972,2023,180,119,325,3109,11,"notable","languages","language learning","web_app",[24,25,21,26],"learn german","german short stories","german reading practice","mixed",-0.28,{"positive":30,"neutral":31,"mixed":32,"critical":33},7,15,4,17,43,{"execution":36,"idea":38,"design":41},{"positive":37,"critical":31},1,{"positive":39,"critical":40},6,2,{"positive":42,"critical":42},0,[40,44,37,42,42,42,42,37,37,37,42,42,42,42,42,44,37,45,45,45,42,42,45,37,37,37,37,37,45,44,37,44,44,45,37,37,45,42,42,45],5,3,null,{"problem":48,"audience":55,"pricing":46,"motivation":63,"time_to_build":46,"stack":67,"openness":68,"stage":69,"team_size":68},{"value":49,"source":50,"evidence":51},"Learning German vocabulary and reading through short stories","maker",[52],{"id":53,"by":11,"text":54},"35714044","Hi HN! I have been working on a webapp to keep learning German and today I want to share the first version. In the past, I have used books with \"Short stories\" to learn the…",{"value":56,"source":57,"evidence":58},"German learners, especially casual learners","inferred",[59,60],{"id":53,"by":11,"text":54},{"id":61,"by":11,"text":62},"35719216","Wasn't aware of LingQ, thanks for sharing it. Perhaps you are right about the targeting. Casual learners... but also busy people that would benefit from the format. We'll see.",{"value":64,"source":50,"evidence":65},"Maker wanted more short stories for learning German, as they found books with short stories useful",[66],{"id":53,"by":11,"text":54},[],"unknown","beta",{"praise":71,"objections":95,"requests":145,"questions":176,"alternatives":182},[72,88],{"value":73,"source":74,"evidence":75},"Useful idea for learners; short stories give context-based reading practice","commenter",[76,80,84],{"id":77,"by":78,"text":79},"35714350","birdstheword5","I think this is a really cool idea and would be something I would use. Is there some way to translate short phrases like \"drehte sich um\" all together rather than word by word?",{"id":81,"by":82,"text":83},"35714743","nickybuzz","This is awesome! I've been casually learning German for 200+ days now, so this will make a great addition to my practice. Are the short stories generated by LLMs too?",{"id":85,"by":86,"text":87},"35718635","monksdream","I have found ChatGPT a great tool for that sort of task (I study French). A typical book meant for students trying to improve their reading skills usually starts from a certain…",{"value":89,"source":74,"evidence":90},"Comparing the AI-improved text taught useful idioms",[91],{"id":92,"by":93,"text":94},"35718693","crucialfelix","I learned more from comparing these two paragraphs than from reading the original. Little things like where the comma goes, sich verlaufen vs sich verirren. Ich soll mehr mit le…",[96,119,138],{"value":97,"source":74,"evidence":98},"Story text sounds unnatural or wrong, apparently machine-translated or LLM-generated",[99,103,107,111,115],{"id":100,"by":101,"text":102},"35715226","cloogshicer","Native German speaker here. My partner is a native English speaker and I was about to recommend this to her. However, it looks like a lot of this is auto generated\u002Ftranslated,…",{"id":104,"by":105,"text":106},"35730000","FearNotDaniel","Thanks for confirming my gut response, that something felt \"off\" about the language here. As a German learner (B1-B2ish) I had a sense something was off-key, then had a suspicion…",{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},"35717431","thomasahle","Seems silly to translate short stories into German, rather than just using German short stories. Even if translation got incredibly good, the \"real\" German stories would have the…",{"id":112,"by":113,"text":114},"35718924","uvbu","Looks cool! Though, I'd like to note that the fisherman story is not only unidiomatic German, but also contains a bunch of mistakes",{"id":116,"by":117,"text":118},"35715096","clbrmbr","Intermediate German student here. I haven’t studied German in about seven years. I found the example story surprisingly easy to understand. I wonder if that’s because it was…",{"value":120,"source":74,"evidence":121},"Word translation links open Google searches with wrong language direction",[122,126,130,134],{"id":123,"by":124,"text":125},"35716767","WaitWaitWha","Clicking on the words launches new tabs\u002Fwindows into Google for translation. Very annoying. sending me to Google as a search link is super annoying. Some words (e.g., war, Tag,…",{"id":127,"by":128,"text":129},"35717560","amitheonlyone","I am experiencing an issue where if you click a word to get translation, a new Google search with 'translate \"war\" to english' opens. The problem is that it doesn't try to…",{"id":131,"by":132,"text":133},"35714219","jan_Inkepa","https:\u002F\u002Fimgur.com\u002Fa\u002Fqqxr7JY just to let you know, sometimes the translation is in the wrong direction when I click on words.",{"id":135,"by":136,"text":137},"35714558","aimor","Thanks for sharing this, I'm trying it out now. One thing I noticed is that the translation links are auto-detecting the language, so some words are assumed by Google to be a…",{"value":139,"source":74,"evidence":140},"Weekly cadence too slow for learning",[141],{"id":142,"by":143,"text":144},"35714917","bluGill","Every week? you need to supply daily assignments at least. You can't learn much with just one study session per week. Maybe you can drop down to 5 days per week (weekends off),…",[146,165,170],{"value":147,"source":74,"evidence":148},"Add more languages, such as Spanish, Danish, Arabic",[149,153,157,161],{"id":150,"by":151,"text":152},"35714524","RugnirViking","If this is using LLMS then it would be great to expand to as many languages as possible because anthing outside of large languages are very poorly served by existing language…",{"id":154,"by":155,"text":156},"35714188","throwaway2203","I would love this in Egyptian Arabic.",{"id":158,"by":159,"text":160},"35714523","codethief","+1 for Spanish",{"id":162,"by":163,"text":164},"35717084","thesuitonym","Hey this is really a great project! Thanks for sharing. Any thoughts on expanding to other languages?",{"value":166,"source":74,"evidence":167},"Use in-page translations instead of Google links",[168,169],{"id":77,"by":78,"text":79},{"id":123,"by":124,"text":125},{"value":171,"source":74,"evidence":172},"Support other translation engines like DeepL or ChatGPT",[173],{"id":174,"by":159,"text":175},"35714548","Would it be possible to add different translation engines, like DeepL or ChatGPT? (ChatGPT in particular is often much better than all the alternatives.)",[177],{"value":178,"source":74,"evidence":179},"Are the stories generated by LLMs?",[180,181],{"id":81,"by":82,"text":83},{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},[183,190,197],{"value":184,"source":74,"evidence":185},"Duolingo stories",[186],{"id":187,"by":188,"text":189},"35720971","quitit","Paired with the autogenerated questions which require upgrading to check. One might as well use Duolingo, they have an interactive story feature which I feel does a better job…",{"value":191,"source":74,"evidence":192},"LingQ",[193],{"id":194,"by":195,"text":196},"35718894","rahimnathwani","I recently started using LingQ for this. It's effortful rather than easy, which makes it a bit harder to develop into a habit, but the technique seems very effective, and the…",{"value":198,"source":74,"evidence":199},"German children's books and Kafka short stories",[200,204,205],{"id":201,"by":202,"text":203},"35718004","xhevahir","When I was studying German twenty or so years ago I got good results from reading lots and lots of children's books, starting with the really basic stuff--like books meant for…",{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},{"id":206,"by":207,"text":208},"35723287","lubujackson","Kafka has some collections of short stories that are great. Some are no more than a page long but impactful, so they satisfying to stumble through with bad German skills.",{"comments":210,"answered":211,"key":212},32,8,[213,216,219],{"id":214,"text":215},"35719574","Thanks for the feedback! I'm going to be working on improving this so hopefully It will be up to your standards very soon. I do have some ideas to check and the comments from…",{"id":217,"text":218},"35715236","Interesting point! I asked had a German native to go over the text but it will definitely be something I keep an eye on from now on. Thank you for checking it out!",{"id":220,"text":221},"35715283","Yes! I would love to expand to more languages! I am prioritizing the ones I understand otherwise it becomes really hard ha. 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