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We think most people will love the free tool for their personal use, and that many businesses will be willing to pay for End-to-End Encryption and CloudCache.",{"value":73,"source":54,"evidence":74},"Free tier with unlimited transfers; paid Pro tier with end-to-end encryption and CloudCache.",[75,76],{"id":70,"by":11,"text":71},{"id":77,"by":78,"text":79},"3732879","udp","I wonder if this uses P2P at all or whether everything is routed through their servers? 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So far I've only see torrents have this.…",[110,120,128,139,149],{"value":111,"source":92,"evidence":112},"Recipients must install a downloader to receive files, which is cumbersome.",[113,117],{"id":114,"by":115,"text":116},"3733952","johnsocs","My thoughts: 1. I opened the web site and said ah, this looks pretty cool, I installed the software and thought, eah.. okay I'll install it even though I really don't want to…",{"id":118,"by":115,"text":119},"3734338","I fully understand the idea of using peer to peer keeping costs down etc.. my review was just from a users POV. When using the service to quickly send a file to a coworker or…",{"value":121,"source":92,"evidence":122},"No privacy policy, terms of service or company info yet.",[123,127],{"id":124,"by":125,"text":126},"3732950","driverdan","Privacy policy? Terms of Service? About company \u002F developer(s) page? Technology details (P2P, intermediary server)? 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Until now I could explain my granpa never to run any executables or downloads that come in…",{"id":147,"by":144,"text":148},"3733648","Sorry, but not really. > We think we can mitigate those concerns some by code-signing the exe, having the download from https, and building a recognized brand. I don't see how…",{"value":150,"source":92,"evidence":151},"No Linux version.",[152,156],{"id":153,"by":154,"text":155},"3732921","hristov","You are missing a Linux version. 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