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I've been working on this for the past ~12 months, lately full-time. I wasn't happy with the current state of web development, so I decided to write a completely new…",{"id":61,"by":11,"text":62},"37518744","Nue does not try to be a new starndard. It tries to bring web developers closer to web standards: HTML, CSS, DOM, and plain JavaScript. New developers today start with React,…",{"value":64,"source":55,"evidence":65},"Frontend developers who prefer HTML, CSS and vanilla JavaScript",[66,69],{"id":67,"by":11,"text":68},"37518712","Yes. Nue is indeed HTML-based and takes inspiration from Vue. 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