[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":515},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-3800089":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":28,"sentiment":29,"stance_mix":30,"scored_comments":35,"aspects":36,"strip":45,"post_text":47,"what":48,"said":95,"maker_in_thread":236,"shape":246,"grid":248,"attempts":479,"same_week":480,"maker_shows":33,"maker_hidden":507,"reader_version":508,"card":509},"3800089","Clutch.io","Clutch.io helps you build iOS apps fast and update them instantly","title","Show HN: Clutch.io helps you build iOS apps fast and update them instantly","https:\u002F\u002Fclutch.io\u002F","clutch.io","ericflo",1333576903,2012,290,88,40,1677,3,"legend","dev_tools","mobile app development sdk","library",[24,25,26,27],"ios hybrid apps","push app updates","html webview ios","app update sdk","mixed",-0.214,{"positive":31,"neutral":32,"mixed":33,"critical":34},9,23,2,19,53,{"design":37,"idea":39,"pricing":40,"docs":43,"execution":44},{"positive":18,"critical":38},1,{"positive":18,"critical":31},{"positive":41,"critical":42},0,6,{"positive":41,"critical":41},{"positive":33,"critical":18},[18,46,18,18,18,41,38,38,18,18,18,38,38,18,18,38,41,18,38,46,38,38,18,38,18,38,38,18,41,46,38,18,46,18,46,18,18,41,18,38],5,null,{"problem":49,"audience":59,"pricing":65,"motivation":74,"time_to_build":47,"stack":78,"openness":92,"stage":93,"team_size":94},{"value":50,"source":51,"evidence":52},"Pushing app updates instantly without waiting for App Store approval","maker",[53,56],{"id":54,"by":11,"text":55},"3800090","We originally launched an app called \"Can'tWait!\" and we ended up having a really hard time iterating fast on the product after it was launched. Little-by-little over the course…",{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},"3800271","We are planning an Android release. You will be able to re-use most or all of your web portions, which we're really excited about. Our bet is that today this will help some iOS…",{"value":60,"source":61,"evidence":62},"iOS developers","inferred",[63,64],{"id":54,"by":11,"text":55},{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},{"value":66,"source":51,"evidence":67},"Fixed monthly rate, tiered plans with user caps",[68,71],{"id":69,"by":11,"text":70},"3801039","It's a fixed monthly rate, so you're free to sell apps and not owe us a percentage, or anything like that.",{"id":72,"by":11,"text":73},"3800326","Yes, \"monthly users\" means end users. However, like you pointed out, we can't differentiate between a user and a device. Maybe our marketing should say \"monthly active devices.\"…",{"value":75,"source":51,"evidence":76},"Built tools to iterate faster after struggling to update their own app Can'tWait!",[77],{"id":54,"by":11,"text":55},[79,88],{"value":80,"source":51,"evidence":81},"JavaScript",[82,85],{"id":83,"by":11,"text":84},"3800522","There are two main differences: syncing of code, and philosophy. The main tangible difference is that we enable you to push out incremental updates to your app, immediately. And…",{"id":86,"by":11,"text":87},"3800894","It's both an SDK and a web service. Clutch gives you some JavaScript primitives and iOS code to help integrate some HTML-based content areas into your app in a very seamless way.…",{"value":89,"source":51,"evidence":90},"iOS native code (Objective-C)",[91],{"id":86,"by":11,"text":87},"paid","beta","team",{"praise":96,"objections":120,"requests":162,"questions":185,"alternatives":208},[97,113],{"value":98,"source":99,"evidence":100},"Polished landing page and demo video","commenter",[101,105,109],{"id":102,"by":103,"text":104},"3800517","bmelton","Wow. It hardly seems like there's been enough time between Convore and this for this to look as solid as it does. Grats ericflo and company. Any ideas on an approximate time…",{"id":106,"by":107,"text":108},"3801337","kissuidotnet","Looks really good! 1)really solid landing page! *really got me 2)love the \"hybrid chart\" (not being a techy, I got it) 3)I agree with some of the comments that I wasnt clear…",{"id":110,"by":111,"text":112},"3800270","mmmmax","This is f-ing awesome, nice work. How long have you been working on it?",{"value":114,"source":99,"evidence":115},"Tutorial works smoothly",[116],{"id":117,"by":118,"text":119},"3801812","js4all","I just tried your tutorial. It was a smooth ride. Everything worked great: creating the initial app, adding a screen and pushing updates.",[121,136,151],{"value":122,"source":99,"evidence":123},"Apple App Store rules may forbid downloading code and could lead to bans",[124,128,132],{"id":125,"by":126,"text":127},"3802923","ianlevesque","Beautiful site, and neat idea, but I feel like we're all ignoring the elephant in the room here. Developers absolutely cannot use this service to deploy apps to the App Store.…",{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},"3800163","DrJokepu","Really cool stuff and I'm not trying to sound negative, but I can't help but think that if you guys get successful with this product (which I hope you will) one of your customers…",{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},"3800780","hippich","IMHO, whole selling point of app store was manual, rigid review framework for each app. Now, even if Apple will not ban all apps built on top of clutch.io, quality of apps in…",{"value":137,"source":99,"evidence":138},"Pricing scales poorly for apps with many users",[139,143,147],{"id":140,"by":141,"text":142},"3800661","dave1619","Your pricing is seriously flawed IMHO. I was really interested in the concept of Clutch.io because we struggle with iteration speed on the iOS platform. But we've got users in…",{"id":144,"by":145,"text":146},"3800312","lukifer","The business model seems a little odd; I assume by \"monthly users\", you mean end users? And the only plan that supports unlimited users is custom-priced? I'm loving the platform…",{"id":148,"by":149,"text":150},"3801998","kinnth","Looks quite nifty but the app costs are really high! For a decent iPhone app your now looking at launching at free and you want to be in the millions of MAU and 100,000's of DAU…",{"value":152,"source":99,"evidence":153},"Profanity in demo video",[154,158],{"id":155,"by":156,"text":157},"3800178","charlietran","Solid landing page and probably a neat service, but my good impression of your company deteriorated when I saw an image scroll by with \"go fuck yourself\" at 0:38 in your demo…",{"id":159,"by":160,"text":161},"3801908","user24","I was surprised to see \"Go fuck yourself\" on the video (0:39). Was that a mistake or a conscious decision? 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It would be nice to have a self hosted version, with a one off fee.",[186,201],{"value":187,"source":99,"evidence":188},"How it differs from PhoneGap and Titanium",[189,193,197],{"id":190,"by":191,"text":192},"3800452","gavingmiller","Can you elaborate some more on how clutch differs from phonegap. Or why I'd choose clutch instead of phonegap.",{"id":194,"by":195,"text":196},"3800467","arturhoo","I'm new to iOS development, can you briefly explain how your solution differentiates from the following: Sencha Touch, Appcelerator Titanium and Phonegap Thank you!",{"id":198,"by":199,"text":200},"3800646","physcab","Interesting. Excuse me for my ignorance here (I haven't fully looked at your product), but how do you push app updates? Is it like Heroku\u002Fgit? 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