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But there are many Individuals\u002Fcompanies who cannot benefit from DocuSign's trust because of the price tag. We want to provide them the free\u002F open source option…",{"id":59,"by":11,"text":60},"38053536","Thanks for the suggestion. We will definitely consider this. We have just released v1 on 48hrs before. We are working hard to put together a usage guide with docusaurus. 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Because I've never had a legal doc sent to me that they weren't fine with just stamping my signature on the line…",{"value":113,"source":84,"evidence":114},"Calling signatures tamper-proof is overstated; tamper-resistant is more accurate.",[115,119],{"id":116,"by":117,"text":118},"38053537","petertodd","> Our solution is currently able to safely sign a document with a digital signature that will make it tamper-proof Who holds the secret key that actually signs the document? If…",{"id":120,"by":117,"text":121},"38054733","That's a reasonable, and pragmatic, way to implement this. But I'd still call it \"tamper-resistant\". One reason why is in situations where senders or recipients have modified…",{"value":123,"source":84,"evidence":124},"Trusted third party model is missing compared to DocuSign.",[125,129],{"id":126,"by":127,"text":128},"38053400","baz00","This is naïve. 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