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I'm an engineer and this year has been awful for job-seekers. To pay my bills, I'm offering a simple, informal, no-catch service to help other people in the same position. The website will explain in more detail.\n\nWould absolutely love any and all feedback. :-)\n\nhttps:\u002F\u002Fneverapplyagain.com\u002F",{"problem":41,"audience":49,"pricing":56,"motivation":66,"time_to_build":9,"stack":71,"openness":72,"stage":73,"team_size":74},{"value":42,"source":43,"evidence":44},"Engineers struggle to find work during a tough job market","maker",[45,48],{"id":46,"by":10,"text":47},"38638238","The more I think about it the more I agree that what I said isn't accurate, actually. Agents can spam too and get paid for placing \"someone\", not one person. Also, if everyone…",{"id":7},{"value":50,"source":43,"evidence":51},"Engineers and job seekers in the current job market",[52,53],{"id":7},{"id":54,"by":10,"text":55},"38637545","Also, If you aren't willing yet to pay someone to apply to jobs for you, then you are not the target audience. But let me know if there's anything related you'd pay for. That's…",{"value":57,"source":43,"evidence":58},"Applicant pays whatever they want after accepting an offer; model not yet defined",[59,63],{"id":60,"by":61,"text":62},"38637592","iandanforth","So you'll be an agent? I think this is a great idea. My major concern is this, \" you'll pay me whatever you want when you accept an offer.\" There's nothing worse for a business…",{"id":64,"by":10,"text":65},"38637656","Exactly! That's my problem with recruiters. They get paid to place \"someone\", not \"you\". As far as me not really expecting to get paid is that I'm hoping to try this for a little…",{"value":67,"source":43,"evidence":68},"Maker is an engineer who quit a job and needs income to pay bills",[69,70],{"id":7},{"id":46,"by":10,"text":47},[],"unknown","beta","solo",{"praise":76,"objections":89,"requests":114,"questions":123,"alternatives":128},[77],{"value":78,"source":79,"evidence":80},"Good advice on clarifying value proposition and pricing","commenter",[81,85],{"id":82,"by":83,"text":84},"38638432","gregjor","My advice: You need to clearly spell out the value you bring to the candidate. If you're going to ask for payment, what would I, as an applicant looking for a job, get from you…",{"id":86,"by":87,"text":88},"38637575","syndicatedjelly","For me, the value of a recruiter is that they're well-connected and can help with negotiations. It's icing on the cake that the company is paying them, not me. 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