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Christine and Steven here. As a PM and engineer, we’ve both evaluated and purchased a lot of software. One of the biggest frustrations was figuring out how much it would cost us without having to go through the sales process. When we did have a quote, we had no idea if we were getting a good deal or ripped off.\n\nWe built a site where you can see what other companies are actually paying for SaaS and enterprise software. Buyers contribute prices via quotes, pricing proposals, and other documentation to ensure quality.\n\nWe unlocked Talkdesk for Show HN users so that you can use the produc",{"problem":50,"audience":56,"pricing":60,"motivation":66,"time_to_build":70,"stack":71,"openness":72,"stage":73,"team_size":72},{"value":51,"source":52,"evidence":53},"Buyers cannot learn what SaaS costs without a sales call and cannot tell whether a quote is fair","maker",[54],{"id":55},"post",{"value":57,"source":52,"evidence":58},"Companies buying SaaS and enterprise software",[59],{"id":55},{"value":61,"source":52,"evidence":62},"Free access when contributing data; paid access otherwise",[63],{"id":64,"by":11,"text":65},"39984967","Contributing data is one method to gain full access to our pricing data set. Alternatively, users can also pay for access. Regarding quality, we're manually reviewing every data…",{"value":67,"source":52,"evidence":68},"Founders found it hard to learn software costs without the sales process",[69],{"id":55},null,[],"unknown","launched",{"praise":75,"objections":107,"requests":145,"questions":175,"alternatives":188},[76,92],{"value":77,"source":78,"evidence":79},"Useful transparency for buyers who want ballpark prices","commenter",[80,84,88],{"id":81,"by":82,"text":83},"39984602","a13n","As a buyer, it's definitely nice to have more data on this. Pricing can be very opaque and sometimes I just want to know the ballpark to know if it's even worth exploring.…",{"id":85,"by":86,"text":87},"39987255","trojanalert","Bloody life saver! So hard to find this, and all I want is a basic understanding. Thank you!",{"id":89,"by":90,"text":91},"39985543","yieldcrv","pricing for open pricing! now this is what I come to HN for",{"value":93,"source":78,"evidence":94},"Good idea that fills a real gap",[95,99,103],{"id":96,"by":97,"text":98},"39983750","smcleod","This is a great idea. Nice work!",{"id":100,"by":101,"text":102},"39984737","orliesaurus","This is COOL! Finally some transparency honestly it was much needed",{"id":104,"by":105,"text":106},"39986112","ramonverse","Cool idea, hope it grows!",[108,119,134],{"value":109,"source":78,"evidence":110},"Legal risk that customers breach NDAs by sharing pricing",[111,115,116],{"id":112,"by":113,"text":114},"39984480","passwordoops","Love this! As a consumer, there's nothing like open pricing. However, as a provider I can totally see a situation where I (proverbially, I'm not in this business) sue you for…",{"id":81,"by":82,"text":83},{"id":117,"by":113,"text":118},"39985522","Just to be clear, we both agree we're not lawyers But I can argue that pricing is part of my strategy and revealing pricing information in cases where I explicitly forbade it is…",{"value":120,"source":78,"evidence":121},"Hard to verify honesty and accuracy of submitted prices",[122,126,130],{"id":123,"by":124,"text":125},"39985488","0x6461188A","How do you know people are entering pricing info honestly? How do I trust anonymous respondents?",{"id":127,"by":128,"text":129},"39985481","mikpanko","How do you verify accuracy of contributions? What stops somebody from submitting fake (overpriced) numbers for companies they don’t like (competitors)?",{"id":131,"by":132,"text":133},"39984521","piterrro","What is the incentive to contribute and how do you check the legitimacy of the numbers provided?",{"value":135,"source":78,"evidence":136},"Contract terms vary too much for prices to compare fairly",[137,141],{"id":138,"by":139,"text":140},"39990789","xyzzy_plugh","The problem with this approach is that often for any sort of \"Enterprise\" deal the contract varies wildly, not just in agreed pricing terms but in length and terms and…",{"id":142,"by":143,"text":144},"39985667","lettergram","lol this is why everything is in an NDA upfront. For us, every customer has pretty unique, so even two feature sets that look the same might have wildly different support…",[146,161,168],{"value":147,"source":78,"evidence":148},"Show the price term such as per month or per year",[149,153,157],{"id":150,"by":151,"text":152},"39985819","moralestapia","This is really nice and I like it a lot, disregarding of the \"transparency\" thing, I completely loathe when I have to \"call to get a quote\" for a SaaS. If you can quote a launch…",{"id":154,"by":155,"text":156},"39985441","nine_zeros","Very nice indeed. A suggestion - I cannot tell if the pricing is per contract\u002Fper month\u002Fper year etc. Would be great to be able to collect all this info and then slice and dice it.",{"id":158,"by":159,"text":160},"39992816","bagels","Lists price, but doesn't state the term (monthly, yearly, etc.)",{"value":162,"source":78,"evidence":163},"Add region and contract length",[164],{"id":165,"by":166,"text":167},"39984285","apimade","Add region or locations immediately. Single biggest factor outside of customer size or how much product they’re buying. Also contract length. Pretty common to get deep discounts…",{"value":169,"source":78,"evidence":170},"Remove the account requirement to see details",[171],{"id":172,"by":173,"text":174},"39985024","cdchn","Thought this was a great idea until I saw you had to create an account to see details. Seems pretty antithetical to the entire premise.",[176,181],{"value":177,"source":78,"evidence":178},"How are contributed prices verified",[179,180],{"id":127,"by":128,"text":129},{"id":131,"by":132,"text":133},{"value":182,"source":78,"evidence":183},"How is the data kept up to date",[184],{"id":185,"by":186,"text":187},"39985860","tumidpandora","How do you keep something like this up to date? Not like you could scrape it from somewhere…",[189,196,203],{"value":190,"source":78,"evidence":191},"Vendr",[192],{"id":193,"by":194,"text":195},"39984776","techcofounder","this is cool! but how is it diff than vendr?",{"value":197,"source":78,"evidence":198},"SSO Tax",[199],{"id":200,"by":201,"text":202},"39984430","anotherhue","See also: https:\u002F\u002Fssotax.org\u002F",{"value":204,"source":78,"evidence":205},"Levels.fyi",[206],{"id":207,"by":208,"text":209},"39986504","enahs-sf","levels.fyi for pricing. 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