[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":947},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-39992817":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":28,"sentiment":29,"stance_mix":30,"scored_comments":35,"aspects":36,"strip":51,"post_text":52,"what":53,"said":87,"maker_in_thread":237,"shape":247,"grid":251,"attempts":908,"same_week":909,"maker_shows":49,"maker_hidden":939,"reader_version":940,"card":941},"39992817","Sonauto","A more controllable AI music creator","title","Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator","https:\u002F\u002Fsonauto.ai\u002F","sonauto.ai","zaptrem",1712767681,2024,454,235,85,3515,3,"legend","ai","music generation","web_app",[24,25,26,27],"ai music generator","latent diffusion","rhythm control","text to music","mixed",-0.135,{"positive":31,"neutral":32,"mixed":33,"critical":34},23,43,4,40,110,{"idea":37,"design":40,"privacy":41,"execution":44,"performance":47,"pricing":50},{"positive":38,"critical":39},12,13,{"positive":18,"critical":33},{"positive":42,"critical":43},0,10,{"positive":45,"critical":46},5,8,{"positive":48,"critical":49},1,2,{"positive":42,"critical":48},[18,42,48,42,18,48,49,18,18,49,48,18,18,48,48,18,33,33,48,48,48,49,45,18,33,48,45,33,33,33,18,49,45,48,42,48,48,42,48,48],"Hey HN,\n\nMy cofounder and I trained an AI music generation model and after a month of testing we're launching 1.0 today. Ours is interesting because it's a latent diffusion model instead of a language model, which makes it more controllable: https:\u002F\u002Fsonauto.ai\u002F\n\nOthers do music generation by training a Vector Quantized Variational Autoencoder like Descript Audio Codec (https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Fdescriptinc\u002Fdescript-audio-codec) to turn music into tokens, then training an LLM on those tokens. Instead, we ripped the tokenization part off and replaced it with a normal variational autoencoder bottleneck ",{"problem":54,"audience":60,"pricing":67,"motivation":71,"time_to_build":76,"stack":77,"openness":84,"stage":85,"team_size":86},{"value":55,"source":56,"evidence":57},"Generating full songs from prompts with more user control than existing tools","maker",[58],{"id":59},"post",{"value":61,"source":56,"evidence":62},"Musicians and songwriters who want to use AI in their workflow",[63,64],{"id":59},{"id":65,"by":11,"text":66},"39994653","If the future of music was truly just typing some text into a box and taking or leaving what the machine gives you that would be kinda depressing. We want you to be able to…",{"value":68,"source":56,"evidence":69},"Generations on the site are free and unlimited for as long as possible",[70],{"id":59},{"value":72,"source":56,"evidence":73},"Make AI music more controllable so people make their own music rather than just taking what the machine gives",[74,75],{"id":59},{"id":65,"by":11,"text":66},null,[78],{"value":79,"source":56,"evidence":80},"React Native Web",[81],{"id":82,"by":11,"text":83},"39996196","No, it's React (Native Web) Navigation... mistakes were made haha.","free","launched","team",{"praise":88,"objections":109,"requests":162,"questions":190,"alternatives":216},[89,105],{"value":90,"source":91,"evidence":92},"Fun to use and good output for little input","commenter",[93,97,101],{"id":94,"by":95,"text":96},"39993643","ibdf","I was just trying similar apps last week and I was so frustrated with the amount of options and menus to get through before I could generate anything. Not to mention the fact…",{"id":98,"by":99,"text":100},"39997390","_akhe","Amazing work! Loving this thing.",{"id":102,"by":103,"text":104},"39997501","jsf01","This is ridiculously fun. Congrats on the launch! I took inspiration from “There I Ruined It” and grabbed lyrics from various popular songs to have the AI sing them in the style…",{"value":106,"source":91,"evidence":107},"Simple interface without heavy menus",[108],{"id":94,"by":95,"text":96},[110,121,136,151],{"value":111,"source":91,"evidence":112},"Prompt understanding and audio quality are weak",[113,117],{"id":114,"by":115,"text":116},"39995078","CuriouslyC","I don't feel like prompt understanding is very good, I don't think I really ever got close to what I wanted with any of the attempts I made, I imagine learning the model tags and…",{"id":118,"by":119,"text":120},"39993682","pachico","Good luck! I just tried it and the interface was a bit confusing. It allowed me to only fill the last input in the form, which is usually a bit counterintuitive. I presentes this…",{"value":122,"source":91,"evidence":123},"Sign-in with Google is a barrier",[124,128,132],{"id":125,"by":126,"text":127},"39995059","rcarmo","Nice, but Google login is a no-go for me (or any form of social login, really).",{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},"39993885","jedisct1","Please offer alternatives to Google to sign-in.",{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},"39993850","bogwog","> Sign in with Google Why?",{"value":137,"source":91,"evidence":138},"AI music is unwelcome and may displace musicians",[139,143,147],{"id":140,"by":141,"text":142},"39994724","boringg","I want to say two things -- one congrats - I am sure your team has been working exceptionally hard to develop this - and the songs sound reasonable good for AI! Two I am soo…",{"id":144,"by":145,"text":146},"40002309","vouaobrasil","I think programmers should stay away from trying to be musicians. Have you thought of some of the people that might lose their jobs because of this technology?",{"id":148,"by":149,"text":150},"39996405","realfeel78","Some uses of AI can be net positive for society. Making fake music is not one of them.",{"value":152,"source":91,"evidence":153},"Lacks iterative editing; whole-track diffusion limits adjustments",[154,158],{"id":155,"by":156,"text":157},"39997372","fennecbutt","I really feel like the popularity of diffusion has made it far too shallow. Why diffuse an entire track? We should be building these models to create music the same way that…",{"id":159,"by":160,"text":161},"39994639","dwallin","I think the problem here is the same one as the other current music generation services. Iteration is so important to creativity and right now you can't really properly iterate.…",[163,171,179,186],{"value":164,"source":91,"evidence":165},"Alternative login providers besides Google",[166,170],{"id":167,"by":168,"text":169},"39994295","givinguflac","Any plans for alternate login systems? Don’t want to use a Google account personally. I’d love to try it though. Thanks!",{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},{"value":172,"source":91,"evidence":173},"Editing and variations of existing songs",[174,175],{"id":159,"by":160,"text":161},{"id":176,"by":177,"text":178},"39994807","garyrob","My hobby is songwriting. (Example: https:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=Kjng3UoKkGk) I play guitar, but I'm not much of a guitarist or singer. I really like songwriting, not trying to…",{"value":180,"source":91,"evidence":181},"Open-source release of the model",[182],{"id":183,"by":184,"text":185},"39994019","lta","I've tried to look a little bit around but couldn't find anything, so I'll ask here. Any plans to release the model(s) under an open license ?",{"value":187,"source":91,"evidence":188},"Integration with DAWs and stems output",[189],{"id":114,"by":115,"text":116},[191,202,209],{"value":192,"source":91,"evidence":193},"Copyright and litigation risk from training data",[194,198],{"id":195,"by":196,"text":197},"39994899","saaaaaam","How worried are you about being sued? Seems like your training data probably includes quite a bit of copyright protected stuff. Just listened to the “blue scoobie doo” example…",{"id":199,"by":200,"text":201},"39995266","herval","What’s your thoughts on copyright and how holders might react in a system like that? 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It's so far ahead. https:\u002F\u002Ftwitter.com\u002Fnasescobar316\u002Fstatus\u002F1777481957774872704 https:\u002F\u002Ftwitter.com\u002Fapples_jimmy\u002Fstatus\u002F1777905772384678149…",{"id":229,"by":230,"text":231},"39997420","rexreed","I always test these AI generators with the head scratcher genre: Electro Klezmer Reggae Funk. I was thrilled by 2 of the versions produced. I wish I could extend it more like one…",{"value":233,"source":91,"evidence":234},"Suno",[235,236],{"id":206,"by":207,"text":208},{"id":114,"by":115,"text":116},{"comments":238,"answered":39,"key":239},26,[240,241,244],{"id":65,"text":66},{"id":242,"text":243},"39995169","Never == \"There will never be tears in my eyes as an AI sings ChatGPT-generated lyrics about the cycle of poverty a woman is stuck in (https:\u002F\u002Fen.wikipedia.org\u002Fwiki\u002FFast_Car)…",{"id":245,"text":246},"40059557","Our goal is for people to continue being the ones making the music. 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