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When talking to our users (and clients - as we customize Openkoda for enterprise companies building their bespoke applications as well) so…",{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},"40503650","That's a great question and we have great answers from actual clients - the repeating pattern goes as follows: \"We invested three years building this app, it's a booming success,…",{"value":60,"source":51,"evidence":61},"Companies building bespoke business applications who want source code ownership",[62,65],{"id":63,"by":11,"text":64},"40503528","Salesforce is a generic application platform today, and this is how see it. Openkoda is not a drop-in replacement for Salesforce CRM, it is a useful replacement when you want to…",{"id":66,"by":11,"text":67},"40505699","We meet a lot of companies who are not happy with software solutions which are hard to modify. 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We find modern Java to be ubiquitous, fast, and (still) super popular in enterprise environments.",{"value":90,"source":51,"evidence":91},"JavaScript",[92],{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},"open_source","launched","unknown",{"praise":97,"objections":110,"requests":132,"questions":145,"alternatives":170},[98],{"value":99,"source":100,"evidence":101},"Interest in an open-source alternative to Salesforce and Odoo","commenter",[102,106],{"id":103,"by":104,"text":105},"40503216","creaktive","I was just complaining to my partner about the OG Salesforce… I feel extra inspired to check this out!",{"id":107,"by":108,"text":109},"40503627","megadal","Assuming you are apart of the team, I'm sure you know Odoo is 20 years old. So, I can't see why in time there couldn't be real competition. 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