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We will never gate the visualization itself behind a pay wall. We plan to add helpful features, such as searching your codebase using natural language or…",{"value":71,"source":56,"evidence":72},"Frustration with navigating and editing functional flows in large codebases",[73],{"id":59},null,[76,80],{"value":77,"source":56,"evidence":78},"VS Code fork",[79],{"id":59},{"value":81,"source":56,"evidence":82},"OpenAI API used for navigational copilot",[83,87],{"id":84,"by":85,"text":86},"41073356","pavel_lishin","> We do not store or log your code anywhere. We do send snippets of your code to Open AI as input for our navigational copilot. We'll add an option to disable this soon. I look…",{"id":88,"by":11,"text":89},"41083742","Added an opt-out for the navigational copilot on Mac -- just bring up the command pallet (CMD+SHIFT+P) and use the \"Opt out of navigational copilot\" command. 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(In particular, I'm waiting for the option to turn off the AI stuff, at…",{"value":112,"source":97,"evidence":113},"Pinning and zooming into a single function is useful",[114,118],{"id":115,"by":116,"text":117},"41077882","sensanaty","This is really cool! I like the fact that when you navigate to a method\u002Fdeclaration\u002Fwhatever, it only contains the relevant snippet, rather than opening a secondary tab with the…",{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},[120,128,136],{"value":121,"source":97,"evidence":122},"Canvas gets cluttered with too many floating windows and is mouse-centric",[123,124],{"id":115,"by":116,"text":117},{"id":125,"by":126,"text":127},"41072910","karolist","Congrats on the launch. I've actually been going in a totally separate direction lately, it helps with my focus and ADHD tendencies to jump around and get overwhelmed. 1. One…",{"value":129,"source":97,"evidence":130},"Built-in AI copilot adds little value and sends code to OpenAI",[131,135],{"id":132,"by":133,"text":134},"41075141","wokwokwok","In order for the canvas to be meaningful, the individual code windows need to be related to each other; eg. like a visual programming language or a notebook, with sockets and…",{"id":84,"by":85,"text":86},{"value":137,"source":97,"evidence":138},"Zoom and UI are hard to discover",[139,143],{"id":140,"by":141,"text":142},"41078470","thiht","That's a very cool concept but I don't understand how to use it. The 4 buttons above a pane (?) have no label or tooltip so I don't know what they do. Even clicking on them…",{"id":144,"by":11,"text":145},"41075626","You can zoom on the canvas using CMD+scroll! Other folks have mentioned this as hard to discover so we'll be sure to fix that. 2 and 3 sound like interesting ideas that we'll…",[147,158,163,170,176],{"value":148,"source":97,"evidence":149},"Linux and Windows support",[150,154],{"id":151,"by":152,"text":153},"41072683","Sakos","Oh nooooo, this is MacOS only? This is amazing and I need this so badly.",{"id":155,"by":156,"text":157},"41073036","tamimio","I think the title should make it clear it’s macOS only, before getting my hopes high to test it out, it looks interesting nonetheless.",{"value":159,"source":97,"evidence":160},"An option to disable the AI copilot",[161,162],{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},{"id":84,"by":85,"text":86},{"value":164,"source":97,"evidence":165},"Navigation history like browser back and forward",[166],{"id":167,"by":168,"text":169},"41075612","kmoser","I really like the way it lets you navigate from function to function (and file to file) and back again. 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Is this something that is not supported at this time?",{"id":193,"by":11,"text":194},"41116446","Hmm sorry for the irritation. I have a barrage of questions: 1. Which language is this for? 2. Do you have the relevant language server installed (i.e. the extension for the…",{"value":196,"source":97,"evidence":197},"Will it integrate with type checker errors",[198],{"id":199,"by":200,"text":201},"41074245","hamasho","Wow, this looks wonderful! I want this to integrate well with type checkers. For example, if I edit a TypeScript function and it causes several type errors, it's nice to open all…",[203,210,217,224,231],{"value":204,"source":97,"evidence":205},"Sourcetrail",[206],{"id":207,"by":208,"text":209},"41072903","KronisLV","This is pretty cool! Reminds me of the now defunct SourceTrail tool: https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002FCoatiSoftware\u002FSourcetrail Actually, seeing lines between the code and where you opened it…",{"value":211,"source":97,"evidence":212},"Understand",[213],{"id":214,"by":215,"text":216},"41072387","ReleaseCandidat","You should definitely check out Understand https:\u002F\u002Fscitools.com\u002Ffeatures, if you haven't already.",{"value":218,"source":97,"evidence":219},"Obsidian Canvas",[220],{"id":221,"by":222,"text":223},"41077009","trte9343r4","Interesting, some notes: - obsidian has similar feature called \"Canvas\", perhaps look at their work flow. - For me this is uselles as a standalone tool. I need it as Idea plugin.…",{"value":225,"source":97,"evidence":226},"Code Bubbles and Patchworks",[227],{"id":228,"by":229,"text":230},"41077524","azhenley","I published a paper comparing navigation time with a canvas-based editor (Code Bubbles) vs. traditional tab-based editor (Eclipe) vs. a carousel-based editor (Patchworks, a tool…",{"value":232,"source":97,"evidence":233},"PaperWM",[234],{"id":235,"by":236,"text":237},"41076294","20after4","This looks really interesting and well thought out. Nonetheless, I feel like the OS window manager should provide this kind of experience, with appropriate hooks so that an IDE…",{"comments":239,"answered":240,"key":241},46,17,[242,245,248],{"id":243,"text":244},"41074266","Curious if the problem you're encountering is visualizing the data flow vs. the control flow?",{"id":246,"text":247},"41078497","Yeah we have some work to do to make it easier to navigate on the keyboard. For the \"parent window\" what are you imagining here as your frame of reference? This idea makes sense…",{"id":249,"text":250},"41078703","We should be placing the editors in your viewport so that you don't have to do manual arrangement. We try to fit as many editors in your viewport as possible. 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