[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":878},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-41635592":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":29,"sentiment":30,"stance_mix":31,"scored_comments":36,"aspects":37,"strip":49,"post_text":50,"what":51,"said":123,"maker_in_thread":204,"shape":217,"grid":222,"attempts":837,"same_week":842,"maker_shows":40,"maker_hidden":871,"reader_version":872,"card":873},"41635592","OpenFreeMap","Open-Source Map Hosting","title","Show HN: OpenFreeMap – Open-Source Map Hosting","https:\u002F\u002Fopenfreemap.org\u002F","openfreemap.org","hyperknot",1727179162,2024,848,234,14,3515,1,"legend","infrastructure","map tile hosting","api",[24,25,26,27,28],"map tiles","openstreetmap","vector tiles","self-hosted maps","btrfs","curious",0.19,{"positive":32,"neutral":33,"mixed":34,"critical":35},21,50,3,11,85,{"idea":38,"performance":41,"pricing":43,"docs":46,"design":47,"execution":48},{"positive":39,"critical":40},8,2,{"positive":42,"critical":40},0,{"positive":44,"critical":45},5,4,{"positive":42,"critical":18},{"positive":18,"critical":18},{"positive":42,"critical":18},[34,42,40,42,42,42,42,42,44,34,34,34,34,40,44,34,34,40,40,18,34,44,44,42,44,34,34,34,45,44,34,45,44,18,34,45,44,34,34,45],"Hi HN,\n\nAfter 9 years of running my own OpenStreetMap tile server infra for MapHub (https:\u002F\u002Fnews.ycombinator.com\u002Fitem?id=11389989), I've open-sourced it and launched OpenFreeMap.\n\nYou can either self-host or use our public instance. Everything is open-source, including the full production setup — there’s no 'open-core' model here. Check out the repo (https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Fhyperknot\u002Fopenfreemap). The map data comes from OpenStreetMap.\n\nI also provide weekly full planet downloads both in Btrfs and MBTiles formats.\n\nI aim to cover the running costs of the public instance through donations.\n\nLooking ",{"problem":52,"audience":59,"pricing":68,"motivation":76,"time_to_build":83,"stack":84,"openness":120,"stage":121,"team_size":122},{"value":53,"source":54,"evidence":55},"Map tile hosting is costly under dynamic pricing, so small or non-profit projects struggle to host maps","maker",[56],{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},"41645321","Thanks a lot! Yes, I believe this dynamic pricing is making it impossible for small or non-profit projects to host maps. And you can see, \"fun\" maps basically disappeared from…",{"value":60,"source":61,"evidence":62},"Small or non-profit projects needing map tiles, and developers self-hosting maps","inferred",[63,64],{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},{"id":65,"by":66,"text":67},"41640327","ryantgtg","Neat! We used to host our own mbtiles map for like $11\u002Fmo, but the problem was (this was prior to planetiler and people generating public worldwide mbtile dumps) there wasn't a…",{"value":69,"source":54,"evidence":70},"Free public instance, funded by donations and GitHub Sponsors",[71,73],{"id":72},"post",{"id":74,"by":11,"text":75},"41639936","The thing is that hosting this really isn't that expensive. My first GitHub Sponsors goal is to reach $175 per month, which would cover the hosting on Hetzner. Of course this…",{"value":77,"source":54,"evidence":78},"Cover hosting costs of a free, open map tile service after running MapHub",[79,80],{"id":72},{"id":81,"by":11,"text":82},"41640017","My main project is MapHub, it gives me my income. It's not an income like you'd get in a FAANG job, but still, I'm running it for making a living. For MapHub to work, I had to…",null,[85,91,97,103,109],{"value":86,"source":54,"evidence":87},"Btrfs",[88],{"id":89,"by":11,"text":90},"41636597","So a full planet OSM extract is about 300 million binary files, in total about 90 GB. The most popular ways to store it: - MBTiles - an SQLite file, each file is a row in a…",{"value":92,"source":54,"evidence":93},"nginx",[94],{"id":95,"by":11,"text":96},"41641463","I benchmarked and nginx can host 30 Gbps on cold cache, on actual real world load. (I played back a log of 1 million real world requests). So using nginx in a 1 Gbps server is…",{"value":98,"source":54,"evidence":99},"Fabric",[100],{"id":101,"by":11,"text":102},"41644962","Thanks! It's not so bespoke, it's Fabric (https:\u002F\u002Fwww.fabfile.org\u002F), it's been around at least since 2011, but probably much longer, since they already had 1.2.0 in 2011. It's a…",{"value":104,"source":54,"evidence":105},"Hetzner servers",[106],{"id":107,"by":11,"text":108},"41636326","At Hetzner, the bandwidth is unlimited in theory. In practice, there are stories of terminating accounts of those who used too much. I don't think this project will ever make $2k…",{"value":110,"source":111,"evidence":112},"MapLibre","commenter",[113,117],{"id":114,"by":115,"text":116},"41640193","vinibrito","About displaying the vector tiles, which project goes well with it? I like Leaflet and worked extensively with it, but it has some compatibility problems with vector tiles and…",{"id":118,"by":11,"text":119},"41640833","Yes, MapLibre is the gold standard now.","open_source","launched","solo",{"praise":124,"objections":145,"requests":153,"questions":168,"alternatives":181},[125,136],{"value":126,"source":111,"evidence":127},"Free tiles with no API keys or limits",[128,132],{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},"41636177","thinkingemote","Looks great love the free tiles and no limits or API keys. Question, why use btrfs?",{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},"41636300","mannyv","FYI if you need a CDN you can get bulk pricing from fastly with a monthly commitment. I'm not sure if their hosting works for you because you might be serving byte ranges. I…",{"value":137,"source":54,"evidence":138},"Fast loading compared to PMTiles on Cloudflare",[139,142],{"id":140,"by":11,"text":141},"41636376","I'll write a detailed blog post for that, definitely. Basically Protomaps \u002F PMTiles allows you to do this serverless, but it has it's downsides. There are two ways to use PMTiles…",{"id":143,"by":11,"text":144},"41636521","I explained a bit about PMTiles in this comment: https:\u002F\u002Fnews.ycombinator.com\u002Fitem?id=41636376 In summary, on a cold start (so now when it's on HN it might be totally…",[146],{"value":147,"source":111,"evidence":148},"Risk of abuse or heavy traffic from embedded sites",[149],{"id":150,"by":151,"text":152},"41636563","jenny91","I really like the idea. Why OMT instead of protomaps? The latter is clearly where the community is moving towards (albeit very slowly). I'm somewhat sceptical about the \"free…",[154,161],{"value":155,"source":111,"evidence":156},"Historical map data and tiles",[157],{"id":158,"by":159,"text":160},"41639847","mholt","Something I'd be willing to pay for is historical tiles\u002Fdata. I'm writing an application that lets you view historical data, and the problem is that most\u002Fall map services show…",{"value":162,"source":111,"evidence":163},"Clearer business plan and support offering",[164],{"id":165,"by":166,"text":167},"41636527","wongarsu","I understand you don't plan to make money, only to cover costs. Nevertheless, I believe you would benefit from a more explicit \"business plan\". Your Gold support plan kind of…",[169,177],{"value":170,"source":111,"evidence":171},"How does it differ from Protomaps",[172,176],{"id":173,"by":174,"text":175},"41636274","zarazas","I would be interested in the differences between this and protomaps",{"id":150,"by":151,"text":152},{"value":178,"source":111,"evidence":179},"Why use Btrfs",[180],{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},[182,187,194,198],{"value":183,"source":111,"evidence":184},"Protomaps \u002F PMTiles",[185,186],{"id":150,"by":151,"text":152},{"id":173,"by":174,"text":175},{"value":188,"source":111,"evidence":189},"MapTiler",[190],{"id":191,"by":192,"text":193},"41638309","maelito","Related : I'm building https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Flaem\u002Fcartes, an alternative to Google Maps. On top of a custom protomaps tileset and a few other MapTiler options (such as satellite and…",{"value":195,"source":111,"evidence":196},"Mapbox",[197],{"id":65,"by":66,"text":67},{"value":199,"source":54,"evidence":200},"Versatiles",[201],{"id":202,"by":11,"text":203},"41640981","Yes, Versatiles is a nice truly open project! One of the long term plans for OpenFreeMap is to migrate to Shortbread + Versatiles styles.",{"comments":205,"answered":206,"key":207},57,27,[208,211,214],{"id":209,"text":210},"41636782","PMTiles could come up with a version in the future where instead of one 90 GB file, they have 9 thousand 10 MB files. That would work well I believe.",{"id":212,"text":213},"41645275","Here the requests are really really small, on average 405 bytes each. I guess in your genomics work you are making larger requests, so probably it's not so much of an issue. BTW,…",{"id":215,"text":216},"41636844","So Protomaps is a really full stack map platform, they are competing with kind of like 3-4 projects at once: - There is the Protomaps schema. 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