[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":1016},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-41710227":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":9,"maker":10,"posted_at":11,"year":12,"points":13,"comments":14,"rank_in_year":15,"shown_in_year":16,"top":17,"tier":18,"category":19,"subcategory":20,"format":21,"keywords":22,"reception":28,"sentiment":29,"stance_mix":30,"scored_comments":35,"aspects":36,"strip":53,"post_text":54,"what":55,"said":86,"maker_in_thread":214,"shape":227,"grid":231,"attempts":980,"same_week":981,"maker_shows":46,"maker_hidden":1008,"reader_version":1009,"card":1010},"41710227","Tavus","A real time AI video agent with under 1 second of latency","title","Show HN: A real time AI video agent with under 1 second of latency",null,"hassaanr",1727798660,2024,455,256,83,3515,3,"legend","ai","conversational video avatars","api",[23,24,25,26,27],"ai video avatar","digital twin","real-time video ai","conversational video","video api","mixed",-0.04,{"positive":31,"neutral":32,"mixed":33,"critical":34},35,47,23,43,148,{"performance":37,"execution":40,"docs":43,"privacy":45,"design":48,"pricing":50,"idea":51},{"positive":38,"critical":39},4,5,{"positive":41,"critical":42},2,6,{"positive":44,"critical":44},0,{"positive":46,"critical":47},1,19,{"positive":42,"critical":49},8,{"positive":44,"critical":46},{"positive":52,"critical":38},12,[17,39,41,17,44,17,44,17,17,41,38,46,39,38,38,41,41,17,39,17,46,46,46,46,41,38,17,38,17,17,41,41,17,38,17,46,38,17,17,39],"Hey it’s Hassaan & Quinn – co-founders of Tavus, an AI research company and developer platform for video APIs. We’ve been building AI video models for ‘digital twins’ or ‘avatars’ since 2020.\n\nWe’re sharing some of the challenges we faced building an AI video interface that has realistic conversations with a human, including getting it to under 1 second of latency.\n\nTo try it, talk to Hassaan’s digital twin: https:\u002F\u002Fwww.hassaanraza.com, or to our \"demo twin\" Carter: https:\u002F\u002Fwww.tavus.io\n\nWe built this because until now, we've had to adapt communication to the limits of technology. But what if ",{"problem":56,"audience":9,"pricing":62,"motivation":68,"time_to_build":9,"stack":72,"openness":83,"stage":84,"team_size":85},{"value":57,"source":58,"evidence":59},"Making realistic real-time conversations with AI video avatars with low latency","maker",[60],{"id":61},"post",{"value":63,"source":58,"evidence":64},"Base subscription fee plus on-demand usage",[65],{"id":66,"by":10,"text":67},"41717206","This is good feedback. We have a base subscription fee to cover ongoing costs of maintaining the models\u002Freplicas you create and other elements, otherwise it's all on-demand.",{"value":69,"source":58,"evidence":70},"Make human-computer interaction natural through conversational video",[71],{"id":61},[73,77],{"value":74,"source":58,"evidence":75},"Gaussian Splatting (Phoenix-2 model)",[76],{"id":61},{"value":78,"source":58,"evidence":79},"Cerebras LLM inference",[80],{"id":81,"by":10,"text":82},"41745319","Also to add- the one service that was fast enough on the LLM side was Cerebras. The time to first token (ttft) is incredibly fast (200-300ms) and the t\u002Fs is 2000t\u002Fs for 8B-…","unknown","launched","company",{"praise":87,"objections":115,"requests":161,"questions":191,"alternatives":206},[88,104],{"value":89,"source":90,"evidence":91},"Impressively low latency and realistic feel","commenter",[92,96,100],{"id":93,"by":94,"text":95},"41712507","taude","I had him be a Dungeon Master and start taking me through an adventure. Was very impressive and convincing (for the two minutes I was conversing), and the latency was really…",{"id":97,"by":98,"text":99},"41716108","HorizonXP","This was really good. The Hassan version was “better.” It picked up the background behind me and commented about how cool my models looked on the wall, and mentioned how great…",{"id":101,"by":102,"text":103},"41715916","tulip4attoo","I tested Carter and holy, it is so real. Sometimes I think I'm talking with a person and it's impolite to look at another screen while chatting. It's very impressive that I have…",{"value":105,"source":90,"evidence":106},"Technically impressive demo",[107,111],{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},"41710808","turnsout","Incredibly impressive on a technical level. The Carter avatar seems to swallow nervously a lot (LOL), and there's some weirdness with the mouth\u002Fteeth, but it's quite responsive.…",{"id":112,"by":113,"text":114},"41712113","bradhilton","Okay, that was really impressive. Well done!",[116,131,142,150],{"value":117,"source":90,"evidence":118},"Privacy and consent concerns about voice and face cloning",[119,123,127],{"id":120,"by":121,"text":122},"41716699","d2049","Is anyone else thinking that it might not be a good idea to give away your voice and face to a startup that is making digital clones of people?",{"id":124,"by":125,"text":126},"41718114","TrapLord_Rhodo","no freaking way... I honestly don't know what to think... I had a very blunt conversation with the AI about using my data, face, etc. I was being generally antagonistic, saying…",{"id":128,"by":129,"text":130},"41717480","theogravity","Have to enter my email, no thanks.",{"value":132,"source":90,"evidence":133},"Interrupts users and struggles with turn-taking",[134,138],{"id":135,"by":136,"text":137},"41715722","gh2k","I didn't have a great experience. Perhaps load issues, or the HN hug of death? I found that the AI kept cutting me off, and not leaving time in the conversation to respond. It…",{"id":139,"by":140,"text":141},"41710662","android521","For me, there is 5 second+ delay and the video ends abruptly.",{"value":143,"source":90,"evidence":144},"Sign-up or email required before trying the demo",[145,149],{"id":146,"by":147,"text":148},"41713068","notfed","Feedback: if I hadn't seen this posted here, I'd assume this website is malicious. 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Felt weird just closing the tab haha.",[162,169,180],{"value":163,"source":90,"evidence":164},"Support typing input instead of only speech",[165],{"id":166,"by":167,"text":168},"41710455","ratedgene","Ah, I wish I could type to this thing",{"value":170,"source":90,"evidence":171},"Clearer API pricing with on-demand option",[172,176],{"id":173,"by":174,"text":175},"41711863","bilater","This is cool but if you're trying to cater to devs you need to have a simple on demand API model and no subscription. We need to be able to evaluate the cost on our side.",{"id":177,"by":178,"text":179},"41712034","ilaksh","This is so amazing. What's the base rate for streaming with the API? Can you add that to the Pricing page please?",{"value":181,"source":90,"evidence":182},"Better name pronunciation",[183,187],{"id":184,"by":185,"text":186},"41712014","syx","This is funny my name is Simone, pronounced 'see-moh-nay' (Italian male), but both bots kept pronouncing it wrong, either like Simon or the English female version of Simone…",{"id":188,"by":189,"text":190},"41716856","dools","Pretty cool, except Digital Hasaan has lots of trouble with my correcting the pronounciation of my name and looks and sounds like he is trying to seduce me.",[192,199],{"value":193,"source":90,"evidence":194},"How is GPU resource handling done at scale",[195],{"id":196,"by":197,"text":198},"41711898","radarsat1","As someone not super familiar with deployment but enough to know that GPUs are difficult to work with due to being costly and sometimes hard to allocate: apart from optimizing…",{"value":200,"source":90,"evidence":201},"Will speech-to-speech models be used",[202],{"id":203,"by":204,"text":205},"41710586","e12e","Are you looking into speech to speech (no text) models?",[207],{"value":208,"source":90,"evidence":209},"Simli",[210],{"id":211,"by":212,"text":213},"41713358","chaosprint","have you checked https:\u002F\u002Fwww.simli.com ? its latency is \u003C300ms",{"comments":215,"answered":216,"key":217},30,11,[218,221,224],{"id":219,"text":220},"41714048","Glad you liked the website it was such fun project. Getting the hug of death from HN so that might be why you're getting a worse experience, please try again :)",{"id":222,"text":223},"41745282","Please try it again when you get the chance! We were dealing with high load the past few days and are good to go again! 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