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A check in the mail for a dollar or two…",{"id":62,"by":63,"text":64},"4226286","panarky","This seems too good to be true, but it's working great for me! With no credit card, I got an instance with 3 GB RAM running in less than 60 seconds. It costs $0.002 per hour. One…",{"value":66,"source":67,"evidence":68},"Instances from $0.002 per hour, billed by card.","commenter",[69],{"id":62,"by":63,"text":64},[],"unknown","beta",{"praise":74,"objections":90,"requests":137,"questions":171,"alternatives":205},[75,79],{"value":76,"source":67,"evidence":77},"Cheap instances work well; a commenter got a VM in under a minute with no credit card.",[78],{"id":62,"by":63,"text":64},{"value":80,"source":67,"evidence":81},"Distributed model that could fix elastic compute.",[82,86],{"id":83,"by":84,"text":85},"4225958","justinsb","This is great - it looks to have some very sensible answers to many of the questions of how a distributed cloud would work. The thing that excites me most about a distributed…",{"id":87,"by":88,"text":89},"4229407","podperson","My immediate response was \"surely this is less than the cost of the electricity to run the CPUs\" but it turns out it's equal to the marginal cost of heating a room with CPUs…",[91,106,119,126],{"value":92,"source":67,"evidence":93},"Contributors have little reason to donate their machines.",[94,98,102],{"id":95,"by":96,"text":97},"4226072","soupboy","From [1] - \"Our users volunteer their idle compute resources because they want to be part of something valuable to the world. We believe that this is a motivator far more…",{"id":99,"by":100,"text":101},"4228590","runn1ng","I don't get this. People install their program, contribute the power of their computers for free and Gridspot takes money. Why would anyone do this? Why would anyone contribute…",{"id":103,"by":104,"text":105},"4226171","Xorlev","Why would people contribute? You're basically profiting off donated energy. I doubt that's a sustainable model.",{"value":107,"source":67,"evidence":108},"Privacy and security concerns: traffic proxied, VMs on untrusted hardware.",[109,112,115],{"id":110,"by":63,"text":111},"4226157","This would be perfect for crawling with a large number of distinct IP addresses, or for fighting DDOS attacks. However: \"All network traffic is proxied through a central data…",{"id":113,"by":63,"text":114},"4226946","If VMs are running on hardware Gridspot doesn't control, and if the filesystem isn't encrypted, how is my data secured? At $0.002 per hour I'm actually OK with zero security, but…",{"id":116,"by":117,"text":118},"4226060","lost-theory","How do they handle security? If the software they're using to virtualize these instances is exploitable, then you could break into the host machine and do whatever you like with…",{"value":120,"source":67,"evidence":121},"Electricity costs exceed what the CPU sells for.",[122],{"id":123,"by":124,"text":125},"4226322","uvdiv","\"Thus, we decided to only run computations when the outdoor temperature near the user is below a certain level (currently 16 degrees Celcius). When it's that cold outside, we…",{"value":127,"source":67,"evidence":128},"Company and team identity is not disclosed.",[129,133],{"id":130,"by":131,"text":132},"4226387","devmach","From https:\u002F\u002Fgridspot.com\u002Fprivacy > We have designed the Gridspot Software... Sorry if i missed but : Who are you ? Please put some information about \"yourself\" somewhere on your…",{"id":134,"by":135,"text":136},"4226974","defilade","I can't believe anyone would install their software without having any idea who this guy is.",[138,149,161],{"value":139,"source":67,"evidence":140},"Add payment options other than credit card.",[141,145],{"id":142,"by":143,"text":144},"4226337","rasur","So, the only payment option is via credit-card.. And if you have no credit card what then? Am I S.O.L?",{"id":146,"by":147,"text":148},"4228171","donavanm","Facilities management is the worst part of \"cloud\" services. Getting this outsourced for low\u002Fno cost is brilliant. Check out the OnAPP CDN implementation. Please provide a…",{"value":150,"source":67,"evidence":151},"Standard VM images and better docs.",[152,153,157],{"id":146,"by":147,"text":148},{"id":154,"by":155,"text":156},"4226064","pavel_lishin","So, how would one contribute to this?",{"id":158,"by":159,"text":160},"4230782","gyom","What kind of tools are on the VM ? Do I get gcc and some python installation, for example ? I would imagine that I would have to reinstall my tools whenever a new instance starts.",{"value":162,"source":67,"evidence":163},"Fix the bugs in the UI and API.",[164,165,168],{"id":62,"by":63,"text":64},{"id":166,"by":63,"text":167},"4226347","Another possible bug is that the UI reports 1.56 core-hours used, but my single-core instance has only been running 24 minutes.",{"id":169,"by":11,"text":170},"4226627","How embarrassing (but fixed now). That was introduced when I added the ability to boot five instances without a credit card. Thanks for letting me know!",[172,187,198],{"value":173,"source":67,"evidence":174},"How do you get 100k contributing machines without public awareness?",[175,179,183],{"id":176,"by":177,"text":178},"4227014","vld","Wow, really, six figures? 250 results for \"gridspot.com\" on google, and yet you have 100000+ computers running this software? I want to hire you! I'll pay you 10 figures\u002Fmonth!",{"id":180,"by":181,"text":182},"4227597","KaoruAoiShiho","This comment is quite rude, but I still haven't seen an answer for this yet. How did you get all these users to donate their computers even though nobody seems to have heard of…",{"id":184,"by":185,"text":186},"4229367","davidmr","I can think of precisely zero ethical ways you could already have more than 100k machines participating. An explanation from you would be very, very nice to see.",{"value":188,"source":67,"evidence":189},"Is the software bundled or installed without consent?",[190,194],{"id":191,"by":192,"text":193},"4227976","hhjj","Your \"giving back\" paragraph about what motivates your users is completely dishonest. You know your users are clueless and installed your client because it was bundled with an…",{"id":195,"by":196,"text":197},"4228046","sdesol","Google also has this link as the #1 link ... well for me anyways. http:\u002F\u002Fanswers.yahoo.com\u002Fquestion\u002Findex?qid=20120329124823AAT62kg It does in bring into question whether or not…",{"value":199,"source":67,"evidence":200},"What happens when a contributor disconnects?",[201],{"id":202,"by":203,"text":204},"4226410","jasonzemos","What happens when the contributor abruptly cuts out?",[206,213,220],{"value":207,"source":67,"evidence":208},"BOINC",[209],{"id":210,"by":211,"text":212},"4227362","stephen272","so this is basically BOINC but also allows for-profit\u002Fnon-research companies to tap its resources",{"value":214,"source":67,"evidence":215},"Popular Power",[216],{"id":217,"by":218,"text":219},"4225998","spullara","Yay, trying http:\u002F\u002Fen.wikipedia.org\u002Fwiki\u002FPopular_Power again.",{"value":221,"source":67,"evidence":222},"Amazon EC2",[223,227],{"id":224,"by":225,"text":226},"4226904","mmsear","Are you guys using EC2 like Engineyard? Edit: I just checked the ip 107.20.186.94, and it does look like it's hosted on Amazon.",{"id":228,"by":229,"text":230},"4227719","damian2000","Fake it till you make it? I don't know for sure, but could they be subsidising the launch by running instances on EC2? ... When they get enough hosts signed up, switch over to…",{"comments":232,"answered":47,"key":233},7,[234,235,238],{"id":59,"text":60},{"id":236,"text":237},"4226316","That sounds like a bug! Just sent you email : )",{"id":239,"text":240},"4226460","Ok!, the two instances you were seeing were duplicate listings of the same instance. 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