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There is no soft limit on how much you can scale. We attempt to distribute all yours apps as much as possible to ensure there…",{"id":65,"by":66,"text":67},"4429051","scottallison","This is cool. We currently host our app with Engine Yard and there's been a number of times when we've wanted to put in extra capacity for short bursts but it's impractical to do…",{"value":69,"source":55,"evidence":70},"Developers and businesses with variable traffic, such as email spike handling",[71,75],{"id":72,"by":73,"text":74},"4427431","mnutt","It's a neat technology and I'm very interested in using it. It's almost a perfect fit for my business, which deals with serving traffic during email spikes. 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