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Could you share this idea with them to see if we can discuss it…",{"value":70,"source":53,"evidence":71},"Let businesses tell the world which contact, hours and menu data is correct.",[72],{"id":56,"by":11,"text":57},[],"unknown","prototype",{"praise":77,"objections":94,"requests":162,"questions":186,"alternatives":198},[78],{"value":79,"source":80,"evidence":81},"Good idea for small businesses that keep listings up to date.","commenter",[82,86,90],{"id":83,"by":84,"text":85},"4438297","oleganza","Great idea. Added one for our company. It took just a couple of minutes. http:\u002F\u002Fpierlis.com\u002Fbusiness.txt",{"id":87,"by":88,"text":89},"4439818","wheelerwj","This is a really cool idea. As a small business guy, this is definitely worthwhile and usable. Please keep working on this.",{"id":91,"by":92,"text":93},"4438947","tomkin","This – in some form – is probably a good idea. Recently, I've worked on a few Business Improvement Area projects and one of the hassels for BIAs is keeping up-to-date information…",[95,118,129,144,155],{"value":96,"source":80,"evidence":97},"Should use existing standards like microformats, schema.org, microdata or RDF instead.",[98,102,106,110,114],{"id":99,"by":100,"text":101},"4438296","buro9","The idea of a text file at the root isn't a bad one, but the format of the document should be far more descriptive. Have you looked at http:\u002F\u002Fschema.org\u002Fdocs\u002Fschemas.html and the…",{"id":103,"by":104,"text":105},"4438242","tommoor","I think this usecase is already covered very well by microformats and the various metadata standards that already exist and are supported by Google, Facebook et al. I'm not sure…",{"id":107,"by":108,"text":109},"4438393","ig1","Why not just use Microdata (which Google already supports): http:\u002F\u002Fsupport.google.com\u002Fwebmasters\u002Fbin\u002Fanswer.py?hl=en&answer=146861",{"id":111,"by":112,"text":113},"4438394","troels","This is already a solved problem. Microformats, while only moderately successful, can embed all relevant information in a standardised way.",{"id":115,"by":116,"text":117},"4438891","maayank","I like this idea very much and its simplicity, but it seems inevitable to me that going down this path will just recreate RDF[0] and RDF Schema. A sort of a semantic web version…",{"value":119,"source":80,"evidence":120},"Placing the file at the root adds clutter; \u002F.well-known\u002F is the correct location per RFC 5785.",[121,125],{"id":122,"by":123,"text":124},"4438712","Terretta","hostname.com\u002Fbusiness.txt is wrong. You are supposed to use the \u002F.well-known\u002F subfolder. http:\u002F\u002Ftools.ietf.org\u002Fhtml\u002Frfc5785 If you plan to implement a \"standard\" please try to…",{"id":126,"by":127,"text":128},"4438359","m_eiman","Regardless of the format of the content, I think that it'd be nice if files like this would be placed in \u002F.well-known\u002F[standard] in accordance with…",{"value":130,"source":80,"evidence":131},"A plain text format is fragile; XML, JSON or YAML would be more robust.",[132,136,140],{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},"4438421","oellegaard","I would strongly suggest e.g. JSON or XML - if you can upload a website, the chance are that you could also create something like this. There would of course also be a template…",{"id":137,"by":138,"text":139},"4438575","alttab","What world do you live in where XML is easier? Have you ever written a SAX parser? XML parsing is not \"easier\". Screw the libraries that \"do it for you\". 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It would be better to…",{"value":156,"source":80,"evidence":157},"Spoofing: anyone could publish a fake business.txt to defame a business.",[158],{"id":159,"by":160,"text":161},"4439302","gpcz","How well does the business.txt standard hold up against malicious behavior? For example, what happens if I want to defame Restaurant X, so I make restaurantXsucks.com and put a…",[163,174,178],{"value":164,"source":80,"evidence":165},"Add a meta tag or link rel pointing to the file.",[166,170],{"id":167,"by":168,"text":169},"4438371","pilif","So more senseless errors in my error log and more traffic caused by robots requesting a file that doesn't exist? While I applaud the idea, can we please, please have a meta-tag…",{"id":171,"by":172,"text":173},"4440007","zacharyvoase","It's probably better to use a \u003Clink rel=\"business\" href=\"\u002Fbusiness.txt\" \u002F> than a meta tag.",{"value":175,"source":80,"evidence":176},"Move the file to \u002F.well-known\u002F per RFC 5785.",[177],{"id":126,"by":127,"text":128},{"value":179,"source":80,"evidence":180},"Support internationalization, including language and country codes.",[181,185],{"id":182,"by":183,"text":184},"4438750","daemon13","How about internationalization? Shouldn't this be self-descripting - like indicating language code (use ISO...) of the narrative\u002Fdescription? Also, how about country codes? 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