[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":975},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-45071722":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":29,"sentiment":30,"stance_mix":31,"scored_comments":36,"aspects":37,"strip":46,"post_text":47,"what":48,"said":85,"maker_in_thread":191,"shape":195,"grid":200,"attempts":937,"same_week":938,"maker_shows":18,"maker_hidden":967,"reader_version":968,"card":969},"45071722","Hacker News em dash user leaderboard","Hacker News em dash user leaderboard pre-ChatGPT","title","Show HN: Hacker News em dash user leaderboard pre-ChatGPT","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.gally.net\u002Fmiscellaneous\u002Fhn-em-dash-user-leaderboard.html","gally.net","tkgally",1756525223,2025,377,266,126,3837,4,"legend","data","hacker news analytics leaderboard","web_app",[24,25,26,27,28],"em dash","hacker news","chatgpt","bigquery","leaderboard","curious",-0.018,{"positive":32,"neutral":33,"mixed":34,"critical":35},12,33,0,9,54,{"execution":38,"idea":41,"design":44},{"positive":39,"critical":40},2,3,{"positive":42,"critical":43},10,5,{"positive":34,"critical":45},1,[40,34,34,34,34,34,34,40,18,34,34,34,34,34,43,18,40,18,18,34,34,40,40,40,34,45,39,34,34,34,34,40,40,34,40,40,18,40,39,40],"The use of the em dash (—) now raises suspicions that a text might have been AI-generated. Inspired by a suggestion from dang [1], I created a leaderboard of HN users according to how many of their posts before November 30, 2022—that is, before the release of ChatGPT—contained em dashes. Dang himself comes in number 2—by a very slim margin.\n\nCredit to Claude Code for showing me how to search the HN database through Google BigQuery and for writing the HTML for the leaderboard.\n\n[1] https:\u002F\u002Fnews.ycombinator.com\u002Fitem?id=45053933",{"problem":49,"audience":55,"pricing":55,"motivation":56,"time_to_build":55,"stack":63,"openness":82,"stage":83,"team_size":84},{"value":50,"source":51,"evidence":52},"Shows which HN users used em dashes before ChatGPT, as a possible proof of human writing","maker",[53],{"id":54},"post",null,{"value":57,"source":51,"evidence":58},"Inspired by a dang suggestion; a way to show pre-ChatGPT human writing",[59,60],{"id":54},{"id":61,"by":11,"text":62},"45071990","As mentioned in the thread that included dang’s suggestion [1], examples of one’s use of em dashes timestamped before ChatGPT could be used as a defense if one is accused, on the…",[64,68,72,76],{"value":65,"source":51,"evidence":66},"Google BigQuery",[67],{"id":54},{"value":69,"source":51,"evidence":70},"HTML",[71],{"id":54},{"value":73,"source":51,"evidence":74},"Claude Code",[75],{"id":54},{"value":77,"source":51,"evidence":78},"Codex CLI",[79],{"id":80,"by":11,"text":81},"45072635","Due to the interest in this project, I created a second, more comprehensive version of the leaderboard: https:\u002F\u002Fwww.gally.net\u002Fmiscellaneous\u002Fhn-em-dash-user-leaderboard-v2.html…","unknown","launched","solo",{"praise":86,"objections":106,"requests":129,"questions":153,"alternatives":176},[87,99],{"value":88,"source":89,"evidence":90},"Fun and interesting idea","commenter",[91,95],{"id":92,"by":93,"text":94},"45077942","ayaros","This is the kind of top-tier content we need on HN. These are the issues that really matter!",{"id":96,"by":97,"text":98},"45079707","almostbasic","This is amazing The rise of the AI generated em dash is insane.",{"value":100,"source":89,"evidence":101},"Useful as proof of humanity for accused writers",[102],{"id":103,"by":104,"text":105},"45079945","thoughtpeddler","Someone should make something like this for the wider world outside of just HN. Go through all my publications through gScholar or elsewhere, and scour and parse anything I wrote…",[107,118],{"value":108,"source":89,"evidence":109},"Counts favor prolific users; ratio would be fairer",[110,114],{"id":111,"by":112,"text":113},"45072179","riffraff","Fun, but perhaps the ratio of em-dash per comment would be more interesting? Otherwise it looks like the \"race\" is biased towards just the amount of comment posted.",{"id":115,"by":116,"text":117},"45074929","lo_zamoyski","This shows absolute numbers. It would be better to see frequency. EDIT: There's a second ranking linked at the top that shows this.",{"value":119,"source":89,"evidence":120},"Em dashes are typed by autocorrect, so they say little about AI",[121,125],{"id":122,"by":123,"text":124},"45072530","rcarmo","This is kind of pointless given that iOS’s autocorrect has been adding em dashes, ellipsis and smart quotes to comments since… forever. (Like now) It’s become a weird kind of…",{"id":126,"by":127,"text":128},"45071871","userbinator","I suspect they are generated via \"autocorrect\", the same way as \"smart (more like stupid) quotes\" and other characters that tend to cause a great deal of frustration should they…",[130,142],{"value":131,"source":89,"evidence":132},"Sort by em dashes per comment or as a fraction",[133,137,141],{"id":134,"by":135,"text":136},"45071834","LeoPanthera","Feature request: Sort by em-dashes per comment. Feature request 2: Em-dash regular-dash ratio.",{"id":138,"by":139,"text":140},"45071981","latexr","I’d be interested in seeing how the data changes if instead of the total raw number of posts with em-dashes you instead check for their percentage considering the total number of…",{"id":111,"by":112,"text":113},{"value":143,"source":89,"evidence":144},"Add double hyphen or triple dash counts",[145,149],{"id":146,"by":147,"text":148},"45075379","lynndotpy","You might also want to rank by how often people use double hyphens-- like so. I'm probably not alone here in being a longtime Linux user who started using a Macbook after the…",{"id":150,"by":151,"text":152},"45071962","mickeyp","Some of us use triple dash to indicate the same thing. Like LateX. You should add that too.",[154,165],{"value":155,"source":89,"evidence":156},"Why do em dashes appear before ChatGPT's release",[157,161],{"id":158,"by":159,"text":160},"45077680","Havoc","Confused by the year stats below - that shows an increase much earlier that say GPT3 release date. So I'm guessing whatever is going on isn't just AI?",{"id":162,"by":163,"text":164},"45071916","IAmGraydon","I guess I’m confused. Why is it interesting to know how many em dashes were used before the dawn of ChatGPT? It’s how many AFTER that seems like it would be far more interesting.",{"value":166,"source":89,"evidence":167},"How do people type em dashes",[168,172],{"id":169,"by":170,"text":171},"45071806","zdw","I applaud this data. But how are people actually creating an em-dash in the \"add comment\" box? Some non-obvious OS-level shortcut?",{"id":173,"by":174,"text":175},"45075413","sinuhe69","How do people type em dash on the keyboard? On iOS you have to long-press the dash key, on a hardware full keyboard you have to key-in the code(?). That’s all very cumbersome and…",[177,184],{"value":178,"source":89,"evidence":179},"Hacker News public dataset in BigQuery",[180],{"id":181,"by":182,"text":183},"45072937","Symbiote","Using the HN public dataset in Google BigQuery [0], which I think fits easily in the amount of free queries allowed: ``` SELECT EXTRACT(YEAR FROM timestamp) AS year, SUM(CASE…",{"value":185,"source":89,"evidence":186},"Hacker News Algolia API",[187],{"id":188,"by":189,"text":190},"45074990","sjs382","You can count your own with this snippet. Just replace my username with your own. 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