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We released this peer-to-peer chat on top of the same SDK that runs our live support chat product which powers thousands of monthly conversations. This…",{"value":52,"source":53,"evidence":54},"Mobile app developers","inferred",[55],{"id":49,"by":11,"text":50},[],"unknown","launched","company",{"praise":61,"objections":70,"requests":102,"questions":110,"alternatives":115},[62],{"value":63,"source":64,"evidence":65},"Thoughtful answers on security and data handling","commenter",[66],{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},"4541535","fomojola","Femi from Hipmob here: we think we're reasonably secure. All communication to our communication network uses TLS: text, audio files or images are all encrypted in transit to\u002Ffrom…",[71,86,96],{"value":72,"source":64,"evidence":73},"Not truly peer-to-peer; messages route through servers",[74,78,82],{"id":75,"by":76,"text":77},"4541485","udpheaders","If there's a third party doing store and forward or even just forwarding traffic, it is not \"p2p\". 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