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Nobody will want to take their desktop+laptop off the…",{"id":65,"by":66,"text":67},"4637397","mw63214","One thing I could foresee happening with the increased use of furniture\u002Fconcepts like this (the UrbanDesk, as well as some of the other products from other companies) is that a…",{"value":69,"source":54,"evidence":70},"Students and people in small apartments",[71,75],{"id":72,"by":73,"text":74},"4637258","pawelwentpawel","Apart from selling it to individual customers, that would be a good idea to employ on a bigger scale in cheap university halls. There are some big companies renting rooms for…",{"id":76,"by":77,"text":78},"4637916","codequickly","For small room, there's always the Ikea's Tromso loft bed and desk is only $220 (http:\u002F\u002Fwww.ikea.com\u002Fus\u002Fen\u002Fcatalog\u002Fproducts\u002FS59872897\u002F). 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It looks a bit out of my price range...",{"value":90,"source":54,"evidence":91},"Solve the bed and desk space problem in a small room",[92],{"id":87,"by":11,"text":88},[],"unknown","prototype","solo",{"praise":98,"objections":119,"requests":166,"questions":200,"alternatives":210},[99,111],{"value":100,"source":101,"evidence":102},"Clever woodworking and design","commenter",[103,107],{"id":104,"by":105,"text":106},"4638092","verisimilidude","I do have one very important question about your design. How does the UrbanDesk currently hold up to nasty, aggressive sex? On the bed? On the desk? This might sound like a joke,…",{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},"4637631","ryanpers","so much room for activities!",{"value":112,"source":101,"evidence":113},"Good idea for dorms and student housing",[114,115],{"id":72,"by":73,"text":74},{"id":116,"by":117,"text":118},"4637937","smiler","You could imagine a few startups putting these into their offices :)",[120,128,144,151],{"value":121,"source":101,"evidence":122},"Desk cannot keep monitors or equipment set up between uses",[123,124],{"id":61,"by":62,"text":63},{"id":125,"by":126,"text":127},"4637927","dredmorbius","Some similar designs: http:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=dAa6bOWB8qY http:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?v=L4yJGTPUR_0 http:\u002F\u002Fwww.youtube.com\u002Fwatch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=juWaO5TJS00 As others…",{"value":129,"source":101,"evidence":130},"Very similar products already exist (Resource Furniture, Murphy beds)",[131,132,136,140],{"id":57,"by":58,"text":59},{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},"4637253","51Cards","Another company had these for sale at our local home show 3 weeks ago, functionality and movement is identical.",{"id":137,"by":138,"text":139},"4638194","centro","This problem has already been solved. I wish people would do a little more searching before starting a kickstarter project. http:\u002F\u002Fbredacomponents.com\u002Fshop\u002Fhiddenbed.html",{"id":141,"by":142,"text":143},"4638780","ew","Superior Wall Beds has something very similar, albeit much more expensive: http:\u002F\u002Fcalgarywallbeds.com\u002Fproducts\u002Fdesk-bed.cfm",{"value":145,"source":101,"evidence":146},"Kickstarter is a risky way to pre-buy furniture",[147],{"id":148,"by":149,"text":150},"4637168","jawns","A question that has come up more and more lately with similar Kickstarter projects: Is crowd funding a good way to go about this project? And specifically, is crowd funding…",{"value":152,"source":101,"evidence":153},"Stability and safety of the mechanism are doubtful",[154,158,162],{"id":155,"by":156,"text":157},"4640168","willyt","Some super quick comments. What is the mechanical engineering behind this? Did you do all the calcs? Simulate it in CAD or something? Gas struts need to be tuned to the weight…",{"id":159,"by":160,"text":161},"4640218","jaseemabid","Here is what I think about it. Why are you flipping the bed to the wall? 1. The cot will slip down, will be a mess and I will have to fix it everyday. BAD 2. Unstable structure -…",{"id":163,"by":164,"text":165},"4639431","mattbot5000","Are you going to implement any safety features such as a locking mechanism to prevent the bed from falling on someone sitting at the desk?",[167,182,193],{"value":168,"source":101,"evidence":169},"Sell cheaper plans or instructions",[170,174,178],{"id":171,"by":172,"text":173},"4637190","FootballMuse","How much (or free\u002Fopen source?) for simply the instructions? Maybe I'd like a different size, material, standing option, or other modification.",{"id":175,"by":176,"text":177},"4637318","warfangle","I'd like to see a medium pricepoint of, say, $50 or $75 that would include schematics for the bed (so you can build one for yourself if you desire).",{"id":179,"by":180,"text":181},"4638715","reustle","I'd buy the designs for $50+ because I will most definitely want to build it myself.",{"value":183,"source":101,"evidence":184},"Add a monitor mount",[185,189],{"id":186,"by":187,"text":188},"4638824","Nimi","Really cool idea! Maybe add a monitor frame, rigged to the underside of the bed, so the user can have a monitor \"on\" the desk?",{"id":190,"by":191,"text":192},"4637746","wtvanhest","A nice touch would be a flat screen mount on the bottom of the bed that is at the correct height.",{"value":194,"source":101,"evidence":195},"Add adjustable height",[196],{"id":197,"by":198,"text":199},"4637078","bryanlarsen","Since it's already elevating, how hard would be to make it adjustable height up to a standing position?",[201,206],{"value":202,"source":101,"evidence":203},"Is the mechanism safe and does it fail safe?",[204,205],{"id":155,"by":156,"text":157},{"id":163,"by":164,"text":165},{"value":207,"source":101,"evidence":208},"How does the bed hold up to rough use?",[209],{"id":104,"by":105,"text":106},[211,219,227,231],{"value":212,"source":101,"evidence":213},"Resource Furniture bed-desk",[214,215],{"id":57,"by":58,"text":59},{"id":216,"by":217,"text":218},"4639708","pbreit","Yep, Italian-made and super cool. They are certainly expensive but very well made. Not only durable but counter-balanced such that a just a light touch is needed to pull down the…",{"value":220,"source":101,"evidence":221},"IKEA Tromso loft bed and desk",[222,223],{"id":76,"by":77,"text":78},{"id":224,"by":225,"text":226},"4637299","rabidsnail","http:\u002F\u002Fwww.ikea.com\u002Fus\u002Fen\u002Fcatalog\u002Fproducts\u002FS59872897\u002F",{"value":228,"source":101,"evidence":229},"Breda hidden bed",[230],{"id":137,"by":138,"text":139},{"value":232,"source":101,"evidence":233},"Superior Wall Beds desk bed",[234],{"id":141,"by":142,"text":143},{"comments":18,"answered":38,"key":236},[237,238,241],{"id":87,"text":88},{"id":239,"text":240},"4637304","You're right taking the monitor off the desk every day is not fun, my desktop case does fit in the storage area underneath the desk so I do not have to move that everyday. 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