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Joyride, similarly, accomplishes the same deal with a little more fluff. However,…",{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},"4694142","Sure thing. The problem we're attempting to address is not necessarily the HTML\u002FCSS\u002FJavascript component of creating a tooltip, but rather the creation of a system and its…",{"value":60,"source":61,"evidence":62},"Web app developers and owners who need in-app product tours","inferred",[63,67],{"id":64,"by":65,"text":66},"4692018","hendi_","Great idea! But 3$ is really way to cheap, even at the current 9$\u002Fmonth I'd just have signed up without thinking twice! Why? Because I know how much value a tour provides my…",{"id":68,"by":69,"text":70},"4691432","jordanthoms","Keen to get this setup, we need a product tour but didn't have a good way of building it quickly.",{"value":72,"source":51,"evidence":73},"$9\u002Fmonth after beta (changed from $3\u002Fmonth)",[74],{"id":75,"by":11,"text":76},"4691925","Alright. Done. I'm setting at $9. Updated now.",{"value":78,"source":51,"evidence":79},"Hand-rolled tour code on a previous project was hard to maintain, so they built a front end for it",[80,81],{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},{"id":54,"by":11,"text":55},[],"unknown","beta",{"praise":86,"objections":107,"requests":152,"questions":184,"alternatives":199},[87,99],{"value":88,"source":89,"evidence":90},"Clean, attractive site and design","commenter",[91,95],{"id":92,"by":93,"text":94},"4691468","nedwin","Beautiful site. Have seen a few of these on HN but your implementation looks the best so far. We need this - looking forward to launch.",{"id":96,"by":97,"text":98},"4691359","CT100","I think the product is pretty cool. I also really like the design of the site.",{"value":100,"source":89,"evidence":101},"WYSIWYG authoring is useful and needed",[102,106],{"id":103,"by":104,"text":105},"4692552","camwest","Cameron from Kera here. You're right about you guys being wysiwyg and I think that's awesome. 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I'd love to hear how you guys differ btw :)",[200,204,208,212],{"value":201,"source":89,"evidence":202},"Bootstrap Tour",[203],{"id":189,"by":190,"text":191},{"value":205,"source":89,"evidence":206},"Joyride",[207],{"id":189,"by":190,"text":191},{"value":209,"source":89,"evidence":210},"Kera.io",[211],{"id":196,"by":197,"text":198},{"value":213,"source":89,"evidence":214},"Code Canyon tooltip scripts",[215],{"id":216,"by":217,"text":218},"4691542","itships","Are you saying that you don't think your product provides $30\u002Fmonth value compared to tooltip scripts like on Code Canyon, or compared to not having a web app tour at all? - I…",{"comments":220,"answered":221,"key":222},22,7,[223,226,229],{"id":224,"text":225},"4691380","Thanks! The problem with being 10x or 100x the current rate is that we can't actually justify that cost for the value we provide. When we set the price point, we basically asked…",{"id":227,"text":228},"4691490","Okay, you all have convinced me. 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