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Mediator.ai doesn't decide; it generates candidate agreements, scores them against both sides' stated…",{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},"47850346","I think this is mostly right, but it depends a bit on how you frame \"fairness\". The system isn’t trying to impose a notion of fairness from the outside. It’s trying to find…",{"value":60,"source":61,"evidence":62},"People in disputes such as roommates, co-parents, business partners and HOAs","inferred",[63,67,71,75],{"id":64,"by":65,"text":66},"47845835","maxaw","This is so cool. Even small disputes like roommate arrangements can feel very emotionally impactful at the time and it would be wonderful to have a tool for these moments",{"id":68,"by":69,"text":70},"47844999","ttul","Fabulous idea. LLM-assisted mediation is brilliant because it has the potential to bring the benefits of mediation to the masses. The addressable market is all of humanity. Even…",{"id":72,"by":73,"text":74},"47845101","mfrye0","I would love something like this to use with my HOA. About to start mediation and the estimate for the mediator alone is ~$20k.",{"id":76,"by":11,"text":77},"47850214","Thank you! It's early days yet but I've had interest from people going through a divorce with child separation questions - however I wanted to ensure it worked well on less…",{"value":79,"source":80,"evidence":81},"Credits purchased on the site","commenter",[82],{"id":83,"by":84,"text":85},"47847981","parkerside","I like the idea and signed up, but the first thing I see is a prompt to purchase credits. I don't have a use-case to try this now, so I won't be using the service again, however…",[],"unknown","beta",{"praise":90,"objections":106,"requests":151,"questions":171,"alternatives":186},[91],{"value":92,"source":80,"evidence":93},"Interesting and useful application of LLMs and Nash bargaining",[94,98,102],{"id":95,"by":96,"text":97},"47845446","setnone","definitely a great use of LLMs",{"id":99,"by":100,"text":101},"47855546","libertyit","Brilliant idea. Congratulations, and good luck.",{"id":103,"by":104,"text":105},"47845409","dhruv3006","John Nash's ideas are still relevant today - highlights how great he was - I liked how you used a genetic algorithm here!",[107,118,129,136],{"value":108,"source":80,"evidence":109},"Mediation is mostly human and emotional, not computed fairness",[110,114],{"id":111,"by":112,"text":113},"47852280","Procrastes","Mediator here. This comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of what mediation is for. Mediation is about helping the disputants find a solution they can live with, but…",{"id":115,"by":116,"text":117},"47854516","anonthrownaway","\u002FAgree As a long time techie I understand the desire to approach mediation as a programmatic systems problem, but as a mediator, I'd recommend OP work as a volunteer mediator…",{"value":119,"source":80,"evidence":120},"Defining fairness and formalizing preferences involves assumptions",[121,125],{"id":122,"by":123,"text":124},"47845602","aroido-bigcat","Feels like the tricky part here isn’t computing a “fair” outcome, but defining what fairness even means in the first place. Once you formalize preferences into something…",{"id":126,"by":127,"text":128},"47845722","vintermann","This doesn't seem to have any notion of power? Coming up with a fair agreement between people who have equal power over the thing they care equally about, isn't that hard. But…",{"value":130,"source":80,"evidence":131},"Users can overstate preferences to game the outcome",[132],{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},"47849083","dennismcwong","Interesting idea for sure. I am just thinking, intuitively couldn't I 'game' the mediator by overstating my preference and requirements to achieve a more favorable outcome?",{"value":137,"source":80,"evidence":138},"Bakery example outcome seems unfair and oversimplified",[139,143,147],{"id":140,"by":141,"text":142},"47845262","mock-possum","Honestly I’m on Daniel’s side - they agreed on a 50\u002F50 split, and they’ve both been working their asses off to make the business work. It’s an arrangement that clearly both of…",{"id":144,"by":145,"text":146},"47845324","AnthonyR","Yeah I also don't quite understand the example on the homepage... they agreed to 50\u002F50 and then she wanted 70\u002F30 so now they settle on 60\u002F40? Like this doesn't seem like a \"fair\"…",{"id":148,"by":149,"text":150},"47849089","sarreph","The bakery example is interesting, because it's presented as \"both sides have been working on this thing and think they should get 50%\"... and then the _solution_ is \"A path back…",[152,160,164],{"value":153,"source":80,"evidence":154},"Handle power imbalances and adversarial situations",[155,156],{"id":126,"by":127,"text":128},{"id":157,"by":158,"text":159},"47846096","lookACamel","Great idea though I am skeptical it will be adopted in contentious situations without some sort of stick. In amorphous situations where there is just high trust but an aversion…",{"value":161,"source":80,"evidence":162},"Account deletion option",[163],{"id":83,"by":84,"text":85},{"value":165,"source":80,"evidence":166},"Apply to geopolitical conflicts",[167],{"id":168,"by":169,"text":170},"47845004","mukundesh","How about Iran\u002FUS conflict ? or Israel\u002FPalestine conflict ? Is anyone working on this ? seems like a big win for AI if it can be done.",[172,179],{"value":173,"source":80,"evidence":174},"How stated versus revealed preferences are handled",[175],{"id":176,"by":177,"text":178},"47846772","Zababa","Very interesting! For limitations, I'd add stated vs revealed preference. Currently the system assumes than what people say is what they actually prefer, but that's not always…",{"value":180,"source":80,"evidence":181},"Whether real users have tried it in difficult situations",[182],{"id":183,"by":184,"text":185},"47846865","webrot","I think this is very useful. I wonder if you have people that actually used in difficult situations? maybe family separations or challenging stuff like that, where I see a lot of…",[187,194,201],{"value":188,"source":80,"evidence":189},"LLMediator research tools for mediation",[190],{"id":191,"by":192,"text":193},"47846042","hawest","Super interesting, thank you for sharing! I have published some research on using LLMs for mediation here: https:\u002F\u002Farxiv.org\u002Fabs\u002F2307.16732 and https:\u002F\u002Farxiv.org\u002Fabs\u002F2410.07053…",{"value":195,"source":80,"evidence":196},"Decisionlayer.ai arbitration",[197],{"id":198,"by":199,"text":200},"47845244","wferrell","You might try Decisionlayer.ai We built a way to make contracts enforceable and resolve disputes without the high cost of litigation. Specifically, by adding our arbitration…",{"value":202,"source":80,"evidence":203},"andshake.app",[204],{"id":205,"by":206,"text":207},"47845130","danieldifficult","I built https:\u002F\u002Fandshake.app to prevent the need for conflict resolution… by getting things clear up front. I agree that AI has much to offer in low-stakes agreements to help…",{"comments":209,"answered":18,"key":210},21,[211,212,215],{"id":54,"text":55},{"id":213,"text":214},"47848467","Thank you for the feedback. 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